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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  AdriaN on Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:07 pm

    Wayne wrote:The one in Ivan's photo is definitely a Mig21 (as he says) while to me, judging by the shape of the wings, the otherone is an Su24 not a Mig23. If i recall correctly the mig 23 had "wider" wings (not so pointy at the end).

    Yes the last pic is a mig 21. the other crash sequence is hard to tell! it does look like a su24 in some areas :S

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  J.Fenech on Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:28 pm

    The F-15E that crashed in Libya looks to be this one from the partial tail number in one of the videos, to be confirmed.

    F-15E 91-0304 http://www.f-15e.info/facts/serials/91-0304/91-0304.htm



    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video---Libya-Tripoli-Air-Strikes-As-Nato-Debates-Allies-Aims-After-UN-No-Fly-Zone-Resolution/Article/201103415957507?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15957507_Video_-_Libya%3A_Tripoli_Air_Strikes_As_Nato_Debates_Allies_Aims_After_UN_No-Fly-Zone_Resolution

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  J.Fenech on Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:32 pm

    The one that is in the crash sequence is a Mig-23, forget the Su-24 which is bigger, 2 engines and broader cockpit (2 seater side by side) and the aft are around the exhaust and tailplanes are different.


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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  AdriaN on Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:36 pm

    J.Fenech wrote:The one that is in the crash sequence is a Mig-23, forget the Su-24 which is bigger, 2 engines and broader a the cockpit for starters as is a 2 seater side by side.

    Thats what i was thinking! + the elevon observation that i made supports it even more. thanks for the f15 info Wink

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  iCocker on Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:11 pm

    ... and this how the french did it!

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833/thread/1300628862/last-1300630148/Destroyed+Libyan+Palmaria+155mm+SPG

    the Italian built Palmaria SPG no more ...

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  skyhigh on Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:37 pm

    These are some photos of the F-15E that crashed ...

    Btw... Adrian I think you should study some aircraft encyclopedia... Twisted Evil






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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  AdriaN on Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:53 pm

    skyhigh wrote:

    Btw... Adrian I think you should study some aircraft encyclopedia... Twisted Evil


    why? scratch i said its a mig23 but some parts can look a bit like a su24

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  matilda on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:45 pm

    COME ON BOY'S
    its mig 23 , su 24 is like some one shed side by side and look kind a fat.
    this is flogger.

    second is mig 21 bis or mf.

    nice topic,good idea marco, 5 points for you Very Happy

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  J.Fenech on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:55 pm

    AdriaN wrote:its quite hard to tell the difference from this photo. i think its a mig23 because if you look closely the elevons trailing edge extends further than the exhaust while the su24s elevons do not.

    so do the rebels have pilots or did they just jump in the seat and pressed all the buttons until they got airborne? Suspect

    No Suspect , he was a yellow taxi cab driver from brooklyn going for a ride along the battlefront, of course he was pilot, you don't just sit in a cockpit press all buttons and fly, this is not a video game!! It seems that the rebels have got professional soldiers/pilots as well but I think they lack the resourses/numbers and a structured C&C..

    Found this information on the Libyan Air Force

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/50716598/The-Libyan-Air-Force


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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  J.Fenech on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:58 pm

    matilda wrote:COME ON BOY'S
    its mig 23 , su 24 is like some one shed side by side and look kind a fat.
    this is flogger.

    second is mig 21 bis or mf.

    nice topic,good idea marco, 5 points for you Very Happy

    according to wikipedia, most likely it could have been a mig 21UM, crashed after take off due to technical difficulties, at least one crashed on 17th march. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Air_Force

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  skyhigh on Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:52 pm

    matilda wrote:COME ON BOY'S
    its mig 23 , su 24 is like some one shed side by side and look kind a fat.
    this is flogger.

    second is mig 21 bis or mf.

    nice topic,good idea marco, 5 points for you Very Happy


    MIG 23


    SU 24

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  skyhigh on Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:07 pm

    For who is interested here is some pic....







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    Re: Libya crisis

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    Re: Libya crisis

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  AdriaN on Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:37 pm

    i wonder which one of those is still alive? none prob lol!

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  Ray on Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:02 am

    Marco STRIKES AGAIN Twisted Evil

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  iCocker on Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:32 am

    For sure it was a 'Tajjara' ... that what the rebels call planes! lol!

    This is interesting for AFV buffs a make shift upgrade of old T55 tanks from Rebel Benghazi, updated with I beams ... unfortunetly one is already KO yesterday.







    and this the Eagle that landed in another view ... both pilots were saved, the second was rescued by the rebels ...


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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  J.Fenech on Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:53 am

    Interesting add on armor.

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  alexbb on Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:22 am

    J.Fenech wrote:Interesting add on armor.

    yes joe especially the innovative way of brakeing the gun barrel profile

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  Guest on Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:06 am

    iCocker wrote:
    RAF wrote:I feel very sorry for the leggendry aircrafts like the Su-24, Mig-23, Mirages and all the military that is a product of the glorious cold war era and is being destroyed during the bombardments over Libya. God forgive them because they don't know what they are doing !!!

    What was glorious about the cold war ...it was just a waste of time and resources, as no fruit was gained from ... ah anzi the worst went to the CCCP!

    as for what is happening in Libya I guess we know what they are doing, people are revolting turning into a Civil War to have a 40 year regime down and Ghaddafi and his hench men wants to hold on to their power ... no big mathematics mate! Let's face it it happened in France, England, it happened in Malta during the French occupation ... it just took ages to happen in the african continent!

    So getting back to planes, someone over Times blog stated that it is not a MIG23 but an SU24 as tail is longer, you are the experts ...

    Here is something from the hands of the rebels trying to fly this MIG21 another engine failure ... another loss of vintage stuff!



    On the other hand strange enough all loyalist front lines do not have adequate AA cover, they know the coalition is on them and their convoys, tanks and artillery units are just sittting ducks, I find this very strange ... maybe they are up to some surprises?

    And here is the nightmare of many Maltese, the old but reliable Scud missle + MAZ launcher and probably why we are standing on the fence ... captured in Benghazi!






    If it wasn't for the cold war era we don't have all this variety of military objects that we can build today.

    As a modeller and military enthusiast you must hail the cold war era!

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  iCocker on Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:34 am

    Whatever ... scratch

    Yep I agree we would not had - Rambo 1-3, Delta Force, Top Gun, the A-team, the Wall, Puffi and Star Wars, I also remeber life in the Cold War era when we used to eat only Catch, Huskie, Diserta and just building Airfix, Italieri and ESCI models as Tamiya, Hasegawa and Fujimi were nowhere to be seen on our shelves ... was a very nice time to remember! Ah forgot not to mention 5 years studying Arabic ... all this the results of the COLD WAR mentality!

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  Wayne on Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:42 am

    I remember the catch and husky days, no colour TV, and the "glorious" abanderado and soldini. Thank God (or Allah in this case) I was lucky enough to miss(only just I think) compulsory Arabic!!!

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  skyhigh on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:13 pm

    RAF wrote:[

    If it wasn't for the cold war era we don't have all this variety of military objects that we can build today.

    As a modeller and military enthusiast you must hail the cold war era![/quote]


    No No No ....I don't agree with you RAF....if I didn't know you, I would say that this is child talking and not a mature minded adult....


    If there wasn't any cold wars era we are building butterfles models , painted cars with flowers... Evil or Very Mad ....I think Ivan told you good better finnish that Typhoon u hallik mid dibattiti.... tongue tongue

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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  Guest on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:50 pm

    BTW this is what we saw last Saturday overflying Malta international airport while we were waiting for the A380:
    KC-135 tanker with 4 French Mirages in formation heading towards Libya




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    Re: Libya crisis

    Post  Guest on Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:10 pm

    iCocker wrote:Whatever ... scratch

    Yep I agree we would not had - Rambo 1-3, Delta Force, Top Gun, the A-team, the Wall, Puffi and Star Wars, I also remeber life in the Cold War era when we used to eat only Catch, Huskie, Diserta and just building Airfix, Italieri and ESCI models as Tamiya, Hasegawa and Fujimi were nowhere to be seen on our shelves ... was a very nice time to remember! Ah forgot not to mention 5 years studying Arabic ... all this the results of the COLD WAR mentality!

    mhux ahjar tmur tlesti dak it-Typhoon hallik mid-dibattiti! Love U lol!

    Ivan the cold war started exactly after the second world war and not during the seventies and eighties !!!!
    And yes as an aviation enthusiast I hail the cold war era. 90% of the leggendry military equipment especially in the aviation area was invented during this era. AND PLS DON'T MIX THE HASS WITH THE BASS !!!!

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