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    Post  Haratio Fales on Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:56 pm

    next rough grind and sanding, I still dont quite like the shape on the bottom. I'm going to remove some of the shape to streamline it a bit more and add more curve.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:59 pm

    You can see the high area's in the rib spars and the few low area's that still needs a small amout of filler.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:02 pm

    A closer pic of the inconsistancies in the sides and fore end of the ship.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:03 pm

    The bow angle after reworking the hull a little bit.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:07 pm

    I tapered the bottom some, its looking better. In this pic you can see it more on the Starboard side. I still need to grind down the Port to match.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:16 pm

    Now I have the hull almost exactley teh shape I want it at, so I started micro filling the small holes and recesses, especially the stern were it needed a bit to fill in the divits.
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    Post  Haratio Fales on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:19 pm

    A little more straightening of the sides and smoothing and I should be ready for the next step.

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    Post  Paul Salomone on Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:20 am

    Good morning Horatio, sunny

    Well done mate, now the hull is really taking shape.You still have some rough edges to take care of, but the result is getting better all the time. One last thing that you should do, is to draw a datum line in the middle of the hull from stern to bow, divide the line in 10cm or 4" sections. than measure the width of the hull from the centre datum to the edge. In this manner, you will be able to get a very clear idea where you went wrong and can fill the difference or sand down.
    Horatio, the hull is only the beginning. Now you are in for the real shock of your life - that is the full hull details and the superstructure. Follow closely my postings, as many of the pieces are standard on all German WW2 vessels.
    Don't tie the superstructure to the hull, as you still have to detail the hull, and believe me mate, there are a whole lot of details. But will explain them to you bit by bit.

    Cheers mate.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:16 pm

    Yes, I have been following your Sharnhorst and postings very intently. and I know there are tons of details for the hull, Like the cooling water intakes and outputs, and the pitometer holes and so forth. I have a few of the books from your list. and am working on acquiring the rest, I have books on American battleships and cruisers. I am also acquiring some for Japanese ships and Italian cruisers. Your Information is invaluable to me in my endeavors. I have a friend on The Ship Model Forum here in he U.S. that is building a Japanese float plane carrier, and invited him to view this site and post. His name is Richard O'Malley, and I hope he does as it is a nice project also. I'm trying not to get in to big of a hurry but I want to keep it rolling, and get the first mold cast for the Toy version. The Radar sets your working on is unreal in detail and how much labor goes into making them. I saw pictures last night on Gentleman's Military Interest Club or Sharnhorst and Prinze Eugen in 1/66th scale. They were original ship yard models in Germany. they were super detailed in some ways and yet not in others. Like there were no hull details like the vents, or there were no rivets of any kind on turrets or the hull, or the stacks, but they had the smallest AA guns and detailed crewmen, and all the rails. It was like they took a 1/350 scale model and blew it up. The turret rangefinders were there but also lacked detail and was just shaped with no detailed door covers. if you can go to that site its worth a look. These ships wee built in the 40's as far as I know and that could be teh reason for lack of detail. They were probably just to get an Idea of how the basic ship as going to look. Anyway I was going to do the Datum line thing but a bit different, but I like the idea to check for the measurement consistency. I will use that. Then when I believe the Hull is exactly how I want it I am going to draw the bulk head and deck lines to plan out the portholes. then figure out the hull plate lines. I'll be Posting, and I assure You I always check your posts as I am very proud of Your work and Knowledge also. Your friend from afar.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:45 am

    I have a freind from another site that is building a IJN sea plane carrier ship in our scale. She is called the Nisshina. He lives in North Carolina and is a machinest. He is really interested in My project and Yours so I refered him to this site also, I hope you dont mind.

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    Post  Paul Salomone on Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:30 am

    Good Job Horatio,

    The more we are - the better.

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    Post  Paul Salomone on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:35 am

    Hello horatio, Very Happy

    I was browsing through the shipmodel forum and found your article. As you may know I am also registered in that forum as well. the only problem is that I have never been able to post any pics as yet. what size of pics are you posting?

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:19 pm

    I always post the pics here, then on (The Jolly Roger Shipyard) which is a forum from England. Thim I go to (The Ship Model Forum) and (Gentlemans Military Instrest Club). Your site and The Jolly Roger Shipyard posts pics the same exact way. Then for the other 2 I need to resize them to under 150KB. to do this I open the piture file, look at the pic as a thumbnail, Right click on the thumbnail and tell it to open it with Paint. It should blow the Picture up way big on your computer screen. then on the tool bar above the pic select image and click on the stretch/skew seting. It should have 2 boxes with the #100% in them. I change the numbers to 40% and click to close. It will ask you if You want to save changes to the Pic. click yes, and that usually downsizes the picture to allow you to post it on The Ship model Forum.

    Now when You post there, select browse. select the pic folder and double click on the pic you want, and then add this file box. It will give You the line bar in a small window while it loads. If the pic is still to big it will tell you and You might have to further downsize it, but keep in mind that You already made it a smaller file so Yuo may have to set it at 905 this time as its like shaving a hair off of the file.

    Don't go to small from the start as this makes the picture to small and anyone who clicks on it to view it will only see like a thumb nail size picture on the forum. You then need to click Place Inline when it shows it just underneath the script box. Then You can preview it like on here before posting. I hope that isn't to much, to fast as I blieve there are a bunch of people on that site Who would sell their first born to see your ship info. Richad O'Mally is one, and I have refered him here to veiw this site. He is the one with the Japanese sea plane ship hull I posted a few posts ago. I did use one of Your pics of Scarnhorst to show on the Forum, and I should have asked You permission first, I made sure it was a basic shot of the ship and not teh Detailed work one's. However I still should have asked first, so I appologize for not doing so.

    Try posting and if You still have trouble re post to let me know and I'll try to figure out why it isnt working. Oh and One thing I do is before I post each time, I delete My pictures Folder that are all my ship shots for the project, and reload them with the camera so they are back to normal size. If I dont it keeps them small after I resize them.

    Let Me know, Your friend from afar. Haratio.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:26 pm

    I started masking te hull in the verical fasion. I messed up here as I didnt go all the way to center Keel. I was planing on runing the tape in a horizontal patern on the bottom wich I will still do but I wish to go vertical on both sides to the keel first.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:29 pm

    I tape carfully to get the lines as perpendicular as posible to the right angles for the Hull, and the bow has the slight incline of the deck.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:38 pm

    Taping over the small recesses allows the tape to pick up the flaws from the hull slightly. I am going to draw out the horizontal deck lines and vertical bulkheads for the spaces so I can go back to the logical layout of the portholes. and then I can plan for the inlets, outlets, and so on. Then finally lay out a seam plan for hull and armor plates. (Question Paul?) How many cm from the deck were the port holes place on the German ships and What Diameter were they? Or is this a silly Question cause they varied. I noted that on yours hey are consitant, and seem to be that way on The Bismark model of the same scale.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:47 pm

    I have veiwed some pics of bismark and Prinze Eugan of the hull plating up close and was amazed at the distortion and minor flaws in the steel that is not noticable unless you are up close. I like the way the tape has reflected this on a small scale, and once I use the Foil tape over this outlay It should pick it up just slightly and have the desired look of the real ship, warts and all.


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    Post  Paul Salomone on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:34 am

    Well done Horatio, cheers

    The hull has now showed it's legs. the more work you carry out, helps to show the slender lines of the German WW2 vessels.

    Keep it up mate and lets have some more.

    I want to see that ship ready for sea going.


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    Post  bcauchi on Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:11 pm

    Looking really nice Horatio!

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:02 am

    Thank You all. after 3 days and abour 4 man hours I have the masning layer done.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:04 am

    This was on roll of tape. It did about 3/4ths of the Hull.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:06 am

    The Mummy ship. Maybee its an Eygiptian Light Cruiser.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:08 am

    The entire Hull covered.

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    Post  Haratio Fales on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:11 am

    I used a Razor knive to cut the tape into shapes on the extreme bow and stern, kind of how they shape the steel plates on real ships to fit the contours.


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    Post  Paul Salomone on Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:18 pm

    Good afternoon Horatio, Very Happy

    Nice work mate. Just one question. How do you intend to do the horizontal plate lines.? Shall you be replicating also the armour plating?



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