Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  alexbb on Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:45 pm

    jojjemannen wrote:I did spray (read: I tried) a lighter gray colour on the upper hull but it looks terrible!
    The lighter gray is too gray so it looks horrendus!

    I can't seem to get that fading effect that you guys can achive!

    always use the base colour, lightening or darkening it with white or black gradually, make sure the paint is quite thinned otherwise you will only be respraying and not highlighting/lowlighting

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  jojjemannen on Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:50 pm

    alexbb wrote:

    always use the base colour, lightening or darkening it with white or black gradually, make sure the paint is quite thinned otherwise you will only be respraying and not highlighting/lowlighting

    Ah, I did two wrongs here. I used a different gray that I thought would make a nice fading effect and I didn't thin it enough!

    Back to the drawingboard!



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    The last AFV I sprayed I used the AK Grey Modulation set and it really helped. There you have the correct shades of grey to work with.

    Thanks masters for the insight! I will check the AK set..

    /Tiny!

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  bcauchi on Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:00 pm

    Dont be afraid to overdo it at this stage. Make sure that if you are darkening then darken a lot and if you are putting in highlights they have to really be obvious. Your work is nearly lost because there is no contrast at all between the grey you had and the colours you used to post shade and highlight. That is why i told you to first post shade and highlight and then go over it again with the original colour. You will overdo the post shading and highlighting and then get the right amount of contrast you need when you respray with the original colour. That is why it has to be really thinned down so that you don;t get a coat but will blend in the colours gradually and you will have full control till you get the effect you need. Try it out it is quite easy.

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    Post  jojjemannen on Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:06 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Dont be afraid to overdo it at this stage. Make sure that if you are darkening then darken a lot and if you are putting in highlights they have to really be obvious. Your work is nearly lost because there is no contrast at all between the grey you had and the colours you used to post shade and highlight. That is why i told you to first post shade and highlight and then go over it again with the original colour. You will overdo the post shading and highlighting and then get the right amount of contrast you need when you respray with the original colour. That is why it has to be really thinned down so that you don;t get a coat but will blend in the colours gradually and you will have full control till you get the effect you need.  Try it out it is quite easy.

    Brian.. You can say "Told you so!" Razz

    Here is where it at this stage.
    I should perhaps try to blend the basecolor with the brightest part of the tank as you guys informed me to do!
    Or could I leave it be and try to blend it with washes/filters?

    Do note that I want to be at the stage where I can say "OK, this is finished. Let's move on to the other gazilion models I have planned"






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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  jojjemannen on Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:42 am

    Added a few layers of extremley thinned panzergray, decals and a layer of a clear coat.







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    Looking good mate...

    Post  Dottore on Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:20 pm

    I think the problem you've been having with preshading comes from the fact that the Vallejo paints are very opaque, so they don't leave enough of the preshade showing. I usually use Tamiya paints and dilute 60-70% with thinner so I can build up the intensity of the colour gradually to a shade that I am comfortable with. Also remember that the model will always darken after filters and washes so you actually WANT a pale shade of the colour you desire at the end.

    Still it's looking quite good, just go ahead with the other techniques and get a finished model under your belt...

    Looking forward to more!

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  bcauchi on Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:34 pm

    That is probably the case and you need to thin them down more.

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  jojjemannen on Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:19 pm

    Dottore wrote:I think the problem you've been having with preshading comes from the fact that the Vallejo paints are very opaque, so they don't leave enough of the preshade showing. I usually use Tamiya paints and dilute 60-70% with thinner so I can build up the intensity of the colour gradually to a shade that I am comfortable with. Also remember that the model will always darken after filters and washes so you actually WANT a pale shade of the colour you desire at the end.

    Still it's looking quite good, just go ahead with the other techniques and get a finished model under your belt...

    Looking forward to more!

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    Yes, that's the case. I need to dilute them!

    Here's where I'm at. I need to clean up the washing some and then start with the chipping.






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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  jojjemannen on Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:06 pm

    Hey,

    I've cleaned it up a bit and took the drop into the deep end of the pool and gave my it my first shot at chiping.

    Please come with constructive criticism! Since I can't share a beer with you guys every Wednesday I'm counting on the forum for feedback!







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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  alexbb on Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:25 am

    now this is just my opinion re chipped areas. i would prefer the light coloured chipping be much less than the dark. i would use the light colour to enhance the dark chipping

    this might give you an idea

    http://migjimenez.blogspot.com/2012_01_01_archive.html





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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  jojjemannen on Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:28 am

    alexbb wrote:now this is just my opinion re chipped areas. i would prefer the light coloured chipping be much less than the dark. i would use the light colour to enhance the dark chipping

    this might give you an idea

    http://migjimenez.blogspot.com/2012_01_01_archive.html

    And not the way I've done it by having the dark colour to enhance the light chipping?

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  alexbb on Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:38 am

    jojjemannen wrote:
    alexbb wrote:now this is just my opinion re chipped areas. i would prefer the light coloured chipping be much less than the dark. i would use the light colour to enhance the dark chipping

    this might give you an idea

    http://migjimenez.blogspot.com/2012_01_01_archive.html

    And not the way I've done it by having the dark colour to enhance the light chipping?


    we all make mistake JOE beleive me i know, i am mr mistakes lol

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  jojjemannen on Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:44 am

    alexbb wrote:
    jojjemannen wrote:
    alexbb wrote:now this is just my opinion re chipped areas. i would prefer the light coloured chipping be much less than the dark. i would use the light colour to enhance the dark chipping

    this might give you an idea

    http://migjimenez.blogspot.com/2012_01_01_archive.html

    And not the way I've done it by having the dark colour to enhance the light chipping?


    we all make mistake JOE beleive me i know, i am mr mistakes lol

    And I'm trying to listen and not to do the mistakes you are warning me about!

    I'll go over the model again and this time add more dark chippings on the already lighter areas!

    On a different note, I'm a memeber of the local IPMS club here in the south of Sweden and on their forum all the comment are "Oh, that's nice" or "How lovley" and so on, even if the model looks like crap!
    That's why I miss the wednesday meetings, were the truth were told!

    /Tiny

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  alexbb on Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:08 am

    no its not crap all it needs is some more tlc. you just flush down crap but this is not crap you have the canvas on which to work now do your magic and have no fear lol

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  Ray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:36 pm

    Go on Viking, it is no crap like Alex told you...just needs that bit of tweaking of the great things you've already done Twisted Evil cheers Suspect

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  jojjemannen on Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:12 pm

    alexbb wrote:no its not crap all it needs is some more tlc. you just flush down crap but this is not crap you have the canvas on which to work now do your magic and have no fear lol

    Ray wrote:Go on Viking, it is no crap like Alex told you...just needs that bit of tweaking of the great things you've already done Twisted Evil cheers Suspect  

    What I ment to say is that the local Swedish IPMS forum is to nice and don't have the balls to give some constructive criticism, not like you guys!

    Anyway, I've tried to rough it up and add more chipping and pigments.









    Take care!

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  alexbb on Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:37 am

    you asked for it so here it goes
    more chipping/scuff marks on /near
    all hatches
    hull mg opening
    and access areas.

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  bcauchi on Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:00 pm

    I also think that you need more washes, this time controlled, with a thin brush around the detail. I would not use black this time, try another colour maybe raw umber. Some of the chipping particularly on the upper face of the turret and tank is still only light coloured, you need to touch it up with the dark grey or whatever dark colour you are using.

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  bcauchi on Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:02 pm

    I thnk that all the sharp edges or corners should be chipped and then also the flat surfaces which would really be walked on, like the area around the turret, where the crew would get in from.

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    Re: Dragon Nr: 6252 Tiger I Initial Production 3 in 1

    Post  iCocker on Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:13 pm

    Sorry to intervene regarding chipping but it depends this particular model at what stage you are doing it. First this one was camoed in winter wash, second it was not heavily chipped as it was a brand new tiger, practically the first tiger to have fallen in allied hands. The popular images you posted are when the ivans captured it intact, they washed it and displayed it before they started practice shooting, as you notice not much damage and practically brand new even in vis a vie chipping ... So for chipping do not go down to use rusty ones but basic ones in light grey, scratches ...

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    Post  jojjemannen on Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:21 pm

    iCocker wrote:Sorry to intervene regarding chipping but it depends this particular model at what stage you are doing it. First this one was camoed in winter wash, second it was not heavily chipped as it was a brand new tiger, practically the first tiger to have fallen in allied hands. The popular images you posted are when the ivans captured it intact, they washed it and displayed it before they started practice shooting, as you notice not much damage and practically brand new even in vis a vie chipping ... So for chipping do not go down to use rusty ones but basic ones in light grey, scratches ...

    You might be on to something here, I might have been blinded by the fact that I wanted to do some chipping, without referencing the image. So you are quite right Ivan.
    I think I might stop here and mark this as the first completed model. And then use this as a reference on what techniques I need to practice some more.

    I'm going to dust up the wheels, lightly, and add a few oilstains on the hubs and also on the enginedeck and call it finished.

    My hat off to all of you for all the guidance so far!

    /Tiny

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