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    Telford 2012 Report

    Post  iCocker on Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:28 pm

    Sounds fishy to me but looks what is the National Champion, a fantasy steam monobike ... has a figure and is fantasy is this some kind of message to me ; )

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    Post  Ray on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:51 pm

    Xi Pjacir min jaf Marco kemm ha jinharaq u jghid "ara f'hiex spiccajna l-IPMS Xi Pjacir" lol!

    Joking apart, I honestly don't know what to say since I can't view any other entries Evil or Very Mad so can't see what this model was up against Crying or Very sad

    As we all know, sometimes a BoS could be debatable even more then it should be, as it is a matter of opinion of a few grumpy judges Suspect & not the general consensus pale

    My Humble Judgement whenever/almost whenever I see a BoS, is "How the heck I didn't think of that myself beforehand Cool" & thus I envy any BoS as a Mortal Human of weak & sinful flesh & blood Twisted Evil

    Again, I don't know what happened at IPMS since the year 2000 when we last graced the greenery of England, so maybe they are overdue for an Honours Overhaul by the real Society for Scale Modellers lol!

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    Post  skyhigh on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:22 pm

    Boycott Boycott Boycott Boycott .......... Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


    Well IPMS Nationals turned out to be Model eng...nothing new ..like we have here..... lol! lol!


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    Post  Gordon on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:25 pm

    http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smw2012&action=display&thread=10318

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    Post  skyhigh on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:33 pm

    Gordon wrote:http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smw2012&action=display&thread=10318



    LOUIS........Bring out your ships........ Shocked Shocked

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    Post  iCocker on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:36 pm

    Gordon wrote:http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smw2012&action=display&thread=10318

    My reaction judging from fotos ... Thumbs up for the best armour and best figure!!!!!! Suspect

    Still I am buffled with the BOS, not that it is not a well deserved job, but have we already passed this marketing tool of atracting a different group of modellers to an already established competition?

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    Post  Ray on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:40 pm

    iCocker wrote:
    Gordon wrote:http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smw2012&action=display&thread=10318

    My reaction judging from fotos ... Thumbs up for the best armour and best figure!!!!!! Suspect

    Still I am buffled with the BOS, not that it is not a well deserved job, but have we already passed this marketing tool of atracting a different group of modellers to an already established competition?

    If these were the "best" that were up for grabs, then the BoS was UNBEATABLE & in a league of its own IMHO Twisted Evil

    As I said, they need a REAL SSM Injection fil-VINA ASAP Suspect

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    Post  skyhigh on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:55 pm

    Any member of wigy interest check this out...

    http://www.scaleplasticandrail.net/kaboom/index.php/all-other-subjects/news/83-kit-news/1695-the-latest-from-zoukei-mura-almost-smw-2012

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    Post  in nannu pec on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:34 am

    skyhigh wrote:
    Gordon wrote:http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smw2012&action=display&thread=10318



    LOUIS........Bring out your ships........ Shocked Shocked


    jiena nahdem qieghed... Cool Cool Cool Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


    in nannu Cool Cool

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    Post  Gordon on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:50 am

    http://www.tartanpaint.info/2012/11/10/telford-ipms-2012/#

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    Post  alexbb on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:10 am

    freinds
    this is not a model engineered vehicle it is purely a fantasy peice, at the momement there is a lot of hype over steam punk fantasy based in the victorian era. it is growing ever more popular especially with young modellers, with french and u.s. sculptors and producers taking the lead, we have smart max, smog1888 and warmachine producing models of this type and various other companies comming up with game modules. ipms was never the monopoly of the "normal model subjects" fantasy and sci fi have always been present, and as most of us who have gone to various competitions around europe and us know, fantasy and sci fi are ever growing

    btw if im correct its a scratchbuilt piece

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    Post  Ray on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:16 am

    I'm viewing the pics from Gordon's link....there's a Russian Tank B/95 something (the number on the turret Laughing ) & it is MUCH BETTER then the AFV Champion IMHO Suspect

    IMHO only a few handful of up to standard models Sad

    The time for the REAL & ORIGINAL SSM is OVERDUE by more then a DECADE king queen

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    Post  iCocker on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:32 am

    Alex, I know about this trend of Victorian Steam machines, but felt from first impact it was chosen to atract a new genre of competitors to the venue ... they know how challenging the Wrahammer convensions is, on the other hand seeing the other models [judging from fotos] I think this deserved to win. By the way it is scratch, not sure from the sexy figure though ...


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    Post  alexbb on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:09 pm

    iCocker wrote:Alex, I know about this trend of Victorian Steam machines, but felt from first impact it was chosen to atract a new genre of competitors to the venue ... they know how challenging the Wrahammer convensions is, on the other hand weeing the other models [judging from fotos] I think this deserved to win. By the way it is scratch, not sure from the sexy figure though ...

    i tend to agree with you on the fact that it was chosen as an advert to the hobby and quite frankly i don not blame them. in the western world our hobby is dying from old age and if you do not attract some young bloods it will disappear in 25 years time. and frankly from the photos i have seen it deserves the prize even though i have not as yet seen photos of models from renowned modellers whom i am sure where there. on the other hand i have seen complaints about the judging and plenty.

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    Post  iCocker on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:56 pm

    On facebook many are complaining about judging and much more about the very bad lighting system ... but seems it is the norm!

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    Post  Noel Petroni on Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:55 am

    Judging............... To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration
    To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
    One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness

    I think judging in scale models has been a dilemma and will remain for many years to come. How do you judge art if art is unique.

    So judging really is taken away from the actual word and meaning of "judging". It seems that judges, when viewing an art piece are influenced by fashion, pressure to make a difference and pure instant feeling triggered by the aura of the event.

    In short, no art piece is judged in it's true word because many factors obscure the judges ability to look deeply into the art piece.

    So just enjoy modelling!

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    Post  Ray on Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:59 am

    Noel Petroni wrote:Judging............... To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration
    To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
    One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness

    I think judging in scale models has been a dilemma and will remain for many years to come. How do you judge art if art is unique.

    So judging really is taken away from the actual word and meaning of "judging". It seems that judges, when viewing an art piece are influenced by fashion, pressure to make a difference and pure instant feeling triggered by the aura of the event.

    In short, no art piece is judged in it's true word because many factors obscure the judges ability to look deeply into the art piece.

    So just enjoy modelling!

    Well said Noel cheers

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    Post  iCocker on Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:20 am

    Sorry guys but I do not agree, ART is judged, it is judged by the patron and by the viewer, we are overwhelmed with everything called ART but finally not everything is a creation ... some are copies, others are following of other fashionable style etc etc ... yet all have their merits and yet not everyone's cup of tea to like!

    On a different note is what I do not like is to compare styles and work with each other. No one can challenge Model A against Model B that is bad judging but everyone has an eye to agree what a model is worth what ... yet that is my opinion. Work are put on a table to be critisized, good or bad ... obviously teh artist does not always agree with the opinion yet that is the world!

    Like comparing Michalengelo's David with the Fallic monument in the Luqa roundabout ... both are artpieces and both have their own merits and meanings! Twisted Evil

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    Post  Ray on Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:48 pm

    iCocker wrote:Sorry guys but I do not agree, ART is judged, it is judged by the patron and by the viewer, we are overwhelmed with everything called ART but finally not everything is a creation ... some are copies, others are following of other fashionable style etc etc ... yet all have their merits and yet not everyone's cup of tea to like!

    On a different note is what I do not like is to compare styles and work with each other. No one can challenge Model A against Model B that is bad judging but everyone has an eye to agree what a model is worth what ... yet that is my opinion. Work are put on a table to be critisized, good or bad ... obviously teh artist does not always agree with the opinion yet that is the world!

    Like comparing Michalengelo's David with the Fallic monument in the Luqa roundabout ... both are artpieces and both have their own merits and meanings! Twisted Evil

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    Well said Ivan cheers

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    Post  Noel Petroni on Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:41 pm

    iCocker wrote:Sorry guys but I do not agree, ART is judged, it is judged by the patron and by the viewer, we are overwhelmed with everything called ART but finally not everything is a creation ... some are copies, others are following of other fashionable style etc etc ... yet all have their merits and yet not everyone's cup of tea to like!

    On a different note is what I do not like is to compare styles and work with each other. No one can challenge Model A against Model B that is bad judging but everyone has an eye to agree what a model is worth what ... yet that is my opinion. Work are put on a table to be critisized, good or bad ... obviously teh artist does not always agree with the opinion yet that is the world!

    Like comparing Michalengelo's David with the Fallic monument in the Luqa roundabout ... both are artpieces and both have their own merits and meanings! Twisted Evil

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    Well....... this is how I see it....... every art is a creation UNLESS it is an exact copy WHICH is in fact art in itself!
    Mig shows us art in painting armour and we try to copy his technique... after all that is how art is formed by following up from the creation of others. If I had to copy a model of Mig down to the last tiny detail........ than I'm good and I created art... maybe not original but still art because I managed to achieve the exact technique where others might have failed.

    If I present an exact copy of Mig .... say at Euro... I'll probably not get anything BUT in actual fact didn't I create art from my own hands? It did not come out from a photocopy machine.... I did it.

    Ivan, I believe everything is a creation, even copies. Some artist's make abstract art and are applauded for their originality and others artists look at the landscape around and copy what they see onto a white canvas and they are applauded...... some artists make exact copies of famous art and are also applauded fro their ability.

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    Post  Ray on Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:00 pm

    Noel Petroni wrote:
    iCocker wrote:Sorry guys but I do not agree, ART is judged, it is judged by the patron and by the viewer, we are overwhelmed with everything called ART but finally not everything is a creation ... some are copies, others are following of other fashionable style etc etc ... yet all have their merits and yet not everyone's cup of tea to like!

    On a different note is what I do not like is to compare styles and work with each other. No one can challenge Model A against Model B that is bad judging but everyone has an eye to agree what a model is worth what ... yet that is my opinion. Work are put on a table to be critisized, good or bad ... obviously teh artist does not always agree with the opinion yet that is the world!

    Like comparing Michalengelo's David with the Fallic monument in the Luqa roundabout ... both are artpieces and both have their own merits and meanings! Twisted Evil

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    Well....... this is how I see it....... every art is a creation UNLESS it is an exact copy WHICH is in fact art in itself!
    Mig shows us art in painting armour and we try to copy his technique... after all that is how art is formed by following up from the creation of others. If I had to copy a model of Mig down to the last tiny detail........ than I'm good and I created art... maybe not original but still art because I managed to achieve the exact technique where others might have failed.

    If I present an exact copy of Mig .... say at Euro... I'll probably not get anything BUT in actual fact didn't I create art from my own hands? It did not come out from a photocopy machine.... I did it.

    Ivan, I believe everything is a creation, even copies. Some artist's make abstract art and are applauded for their originality and others artists look at the landscape around and copy what they see onto a white canvas and they are applauded...... some artists make exact copies of famous art and are also applauded fro their ability.

    Again well said Noel Twisted Evil

    Honestly I am enjoying this exchange of views & debates as a shed of light on how we should percieve ART cheers

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    Post  in nannu pec on Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:43 am

    Ray wrote:
    Noel Petroni wrote:
    iCocker wrote:Sorry guys but I do not agree, ART is judged, it is judged by the patron and by the viewer, we are overwhelmed with everything called ART but finally not everything is a creation ... some are copies, others are following of other fashionable style etc etc ... yet all have their merits and yet not everyone's cup of tea to like!

    On a different note is what I do not like is to compare styles and work with each other. No one can challenge Model A against Model B that is bad judging but everyone has an eye to agree what a model is worth what ... yet that is my opinion. Work are put on a table to be critisized, good or bad ... obviously teh artist does not always agree with the opinion yet that is the world!

    Like comparing Michalengelo's David with the Fallic monument in the Luqa roundabout ... both are artpieces and both have their own merits and meanings! Twisted Evil

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    Well....... this is how I see it....... every art is a creation UNLESS it is an exact copy WHICH is in fact art in itself!
    Mig shows us art in painting armour and we try to copy his technique... after all that is how art is formed by following up from the creation of others. If I had to copy a model of Mig down to the last tiny detail........ than I'm good and I created art... maybe not original but still art because I managed to achieve the exact technique where others might have failed.

    If I present an exact copy of Mig .... say at Euro... I'll probably not get anything BUT in actual fact didn't I create art from my own hands? It did not come out from a photocopy machine.... I did it.

    Ivan, I believe everything is a creation, even copies. Some artist's make abstract art and are applauded for their originality and others artists look at the landscape around and copy what they see onto a white canvas and they are applauded...... some artists make exact copies of famous art and are also applauded fro their ability.

    Again well said Noel Twisted Evil

    Honestly I am enjoying this exchange of views & debates as a shed of light on how we should percieve ART cheers


    I concur with Ray ...both well spoken Noel and Ivan....to me modelling is creativity...art...one's expression of himself in a model but above all it's a passion for the serious modeller. I for one have tried various techniques namely fom Mig...Kostas...and many others but I feel the pleasure of fulfilment in finishing a model with techniques I developed myself throughout the years...good or bad...the techniques I feel comfortable working with....IMHO whether a model turns out good or bad it's always an object of creativity and satisfaction for the modeller once finished...Passion that's the most important thing !..

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    Post  alexbb on Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:54 am

    definition of art Encyclopædia Britannica.
    "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others"

    now everyone can interpret this in any way he or she wants

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    Post  iCocker on Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:09 am

    But I think you [or me] misunderstood the whole argument, we all agree it is art, but art is an expresiion and can it be judged or not ... in my opinion yes it can, as there are artists and artists, and does not mean that famed artist always produce the same result and same output ... infact one can also job from one job to another from the same artist ...

    On another note looks the BOS for Telfor was won by an Italian, seems they took everything this year ...

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    Post  Tancred on Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:20 pm

    So shall we change the club name to SSA Society for Scale Artists? lol!


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