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    Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:50 pm

    This is my next and current build, the last of a line of 109's. But how can i not have a desert coloured 109 in my collection so we go for one more. With Marco's help, i am converting the model i had in my stash, a Revell G4 Trop into the F4 Trop. Here are some in progress pics.

    First two pics are some of the mods carried out, removed air scoops from the nose and removed inspection and fuel hatches and put in new ones.




    Next up is work in the cockpit.






    Last two pics showing stressmarks being applied to the airframe skin.



    More to follow soon.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  in nannu pec on Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:53 pm

    work is brilliant and with The Illustrious Marco, the walking encydlopidia...you cannot go wrong Brian....Laughing Laughing Laughing 
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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:06 pm

    Hi Brian.
    109F is my favorite. Which one R U going to build?

    Take a look at the cockpit pics as they are printed in the original F-4 manual in 1941. There are some details that may help U more.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:18 pm

    Brian remove those umbrella holders , they are G's featuers....Idea 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:37 pm

    Hi Marco and Alex, thanks for the info, seems like i have to modify some of the detail on the cockpit floor.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:24 pm


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:33 pm

    Marco, i did not have the second link, the one to the seat details. All the photos i found of F's except for just one showed the cockpit with the normal seat so i was not going to use the seat i got from quickboost. I still am a bit lost. Most of the photographed F4's do not have the high backed seat. I was going to use the normal seat, in fact as you can see from my pics i had already modified it with the raised central triangular part. What do you think? Would you use the high backed seat? the photos i have of Red 4 do not show that part of the pit so you can choose any option i think.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:37 pm

    Marco, the quickboost seat is spot on like the first type in the reference Chris found, it is totally accurate. I am still in time to use it. Which one would you use?

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:04 pm

    Here are some changes i did. Modified the sidewall detail.


    Modified the cockpit RHS floor detail according to the manual photo.


    Umbrella holders are gone.


    Now my only headache for the time being is the seat, which type to use.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:48 pm

    Brian this is seat 1.. early type..





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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:55 pm

    Seat 2 ..late F's... watch good!!   how the back seatbelts came upwards..

     







    Infact Hasegawa new F model , captuers good the saet shape...!!!




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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:00 pm

    Seat 3.. is the final , they used it till the end ..NB... there were some minor modification ..but very rare to notice....






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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:05 pm

    Now Brian this is your F seat...Question scratch ... if you look clearly Shocked ....it looks there is a bar at the top .... so might be Seat no 2 ..what do you thing....Idea 


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:09 pm

    The seat from quickboost is an early seat. The work number of Red 4 is 8704 and this was produced from August to December 1941 according to the Schiffer book on the F, G and K versions.  It was the 4th out of 5 batches of F4's produced, so it cannot be called an early F4.  What do you think?

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Ray on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:19 am

    Bri, you can build a REAL one cheers

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:41 am

    Ray, it will probably be easier and quicker than trying to modify the kit.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:01 am

    bcauchi wrote:The work number of Red 4 is 8704 and this was produced from August to December 1941

    Hi Brian

    According to ersatzteil liste, bf 109F signed on March 1941 the Seat looks like No:3. I guess that you should go for the following one.


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:40 pm

    So in that case i was using the correct type of seat and don;t need to modify it. It is the standard seat used even on the G series with the triangular 'vee' shaped protrusion on the back.

    Although unless the anchor points of the seat belts are shown, that line drawing on the manual could easily refer to both seat types 2 and 3 since the shape of the upper coaming is the very similar, they both have curved edges and a central bulge.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Ray on Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:20 pm

    Hawn thajjar dan ukoll issa jissuggerixxi t-tibdil biex jaghti brejk lil Marco lol!

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:30 pm

    Gejt veru sew bejniethom issa! Min igebbed l-hawn u min igebbed l-hemm u jien nipprova nibni mudell. X fettilli ghazilt 109 iehor!

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  ascomt on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:51 pm

    God Speed Brian

    I'm sure you'll be able to collate the fine suggestions heartily provided by Marco and Alex (and anyone else who might come forward) together with your own expertise into another museum quality masterpiece.

    We remain in awe, expecting every update that you can give us to quench our modelling thirst.

    Just don't let us drool too much Very Happy 


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:55 pm

    Ray wrote:Hawn thajjar dan ukoll issa jissuggerixxi t-tibdil biex jaghti brejk lil Marco lol!


    lol! lol!   Xi pjacir ...ohra fuq il 109 ..Grazzi Mulej imnalla kien dan il Forum... ha ninsa ftit...lol! lol! 

    Alex your right on the manual... But I prefer photos documentaion ...study 


    These photos shows late versions of the 109F-4's  ... still all have early No1 seat, the last one is 1943........scratch .........




    Check the seat on the wing......



    1943.........

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:28 pm

    lol! lol! 

    Hi Marco. I do prefer real pics also. It would be a great help to find the specific plane that Brian is gonna build.
    I posted the seat part according to the Work Num that Brian mentions above.
    I do not know the work nums of these 109fs on your pics. Maybe they come from early production series. Of course there is a possibilty that their seats have been replaced during their service. Who Knows!!!

    Maybe a plane with a close Wr Num to Red 4 of 2./ Jg27, could give more answers. You know better than me...luftwaffe themes were and are brain teaser games... lol! lol! 


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Ray on Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:08 pm

    Bri, li kont minnek nibghathom jixxejjru lol! lol! t-tnejn li huma Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:42 pm

    Alex Kontiveis wrote:lol! lol! 

    Hi Marco. I do prefer real pics also. It would be a great help to find the specific plane that Brian is gonna build.
    I posted the seat part according to the Work Num that Brian mentions above.
    I do not know the work nums of these 109fs on your pics. Maybe they come from early production series. Of course there is a possibilty that their seats  have been replaced during their service. Who Knows!!!

    Maybe a plane with a close Wr Num to Red 4 of 2./ Jg27, could give more answers. You know better than me...luftwaffe themes were and are brain teaser games... lol! lol! 







    Alex we have the real photos ..of Red 4 haha.. but you now Brain well secret is a secret..., but if you followed the tread well , there is a photo of his build ..that's why were Talking....on the real seat ....cheers 

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