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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:59 pm

    looks like it was carried by the pilot , and it will be in postion of the wind shield port hole, during flight..Exclamation 








    So you can do with out , the pistol...Idea cheers 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:08 am

    lol! lol! lol! lol! 

    "looks like it was carried by the pilot , and it will be in postion of the wind shield port hole, during flight.."
    Yes. I do agree. Sometimes -to us modelers- we like things we would like to have on the model, rather than the logic of reality.

    Αnyway....maybe the pilot has forgotten it in the port hole!!!! tongue

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Noel Petroni on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:51 am

    Great detail as usual, brian!

    As regards the pistol, what's the reason to place it in the holder? If you have to bail out you have to go...."ok, mobile, money, credit cards, picture of the wife......good...... Oh no...... the flare pistol!!!"

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:40 pm

    I can't answer that Noel because it does not make sense to me. Unless you need to fire it during a flight to catch your mates' attention if you are in trouble or without a radio. However, in case of a bailout, you need to have it with you. It could also be a place of temporary storage during flight if it would be uncomfortable to have it hanging around your waist.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:56 pm

    Here is another update, the tail wheel assembly. Since the F4 had a retractable tail wheel, there was some detail to include in the rear wheel well although small. I might have gone a bit overboard but here it is anyway prior to painting and gluing together.
    Interior detail including the mechanism and rods which activate the rudder and elevators.



    Now the tail wheel assembly including the retraction piston and hydraulic pipes.


    And finally the whole assembly with the tail wheel in place.


    Now i had better get painting this lot.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Ray on Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:02 pm

    Looks very nice as usual Brian cheers

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:46 pm

    Good work Brian....cheers 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Noel Petroni on Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:51 am

    Prosit Brian!

    If I'm not mistaken this is all going to be hidden, right?

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:26 pm

    Well, if you turn the model upside down and look into the smallish wheel well at the tail section you con see some of it but yes, i did go overboard, my usual mistake.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:04 pm

    Finished tail assembly.



    What is actually going to show in the end.



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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:12 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Well, if you turn the model upside down and look into the smallish wheel well at the tail section you con see some of it but yes, i did go overboard, my usual mistake.
    No Brian , I don't say usual mistake .. you were carried away with the love for detail ....Very Happy ..I say this is modeling ...cheers 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Ray on Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:32 am

    skyhigh wrote:
    bcauchi wrote:Well, if you turn the model upside down and look into the smallish wheel well at the tail section you con see some of it but yes, i did go overboard, my usual mistake.
    No Brian , I don't say usual mistake .. you were carried away with the love for detail ....Very Happy ..I say this is modeling ...cheers 
    Yes Brian IMHO it is a mistake which we ALL did at some point or other Twisted Evil

    Time is PRECIOUS so why "waste" it on something which won't EVER be visible just for the sake of "love for detail" (ara hu love for photography ghandu Sad )

    Joking apart, and as I said we ALL did/do it at some point or other, but speaking for myself I would have preferred to have spent all the time "wasted" on INVISIBLE detail, on some other VISIBLE model in my almost empty showcase Sad

    Just my 2c worth that's all Twisted Evil 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:54 am

    I totally agree Ray, that is why i call it a mistake.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:12 am

    bcauchi wrote:I totally agree Ray, that is why i call it a mistake.  

    Insoma I'm totally...Evil or Very Mad  as usual ..Twisted Evil disagree with you all ... I don't say all that detail invisible with all that opening..... evn this modeler ..noticed it ... Shocked ...NB.. This is a feature of the 109F's....Shocked 




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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:19 pm

    Wow Marco, that is some really nice detail there. Maybe it is Alex our Greek friend. He would put in some similar detail. However, my point still stands, once the wheel with the wheel leg assembly is in place, nearly nothing shows. We are getting on in years, eyes are failing and if i want to finish some of the models i have in my stash, i cannot waste precious time doing things for nothing. This year will be a total record for me. If i manage to finish this 109, i would have built two models in a year, the FW and the 109, an all time record.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:03 pm

    Brian if you want to have a look , here's the link...

    http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=39721&page=2

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:10 pm

    lol! lol! lol! lol! 
    Brian it can't be mine that 109... I usually work with metal..

    When I was young, Brian was one of my favourite modellers... I loved his way of detailing his models. I was inspired from him, many times. It doesnt matter if the detail is vissible or not for me. Maybe Brian believes the same thing. Many modellers say and insist that the best way is to add details where ever the human eye can see. Nowhere else. s

    Anyway.... I love the Brian's way. I still believe that his Corsair was his very best. He proved that even the brand new hitech Tamiya's Bird cage, is not enough to beat the old pure Revell's one which was built with exceptional love and care from Brian's hands.

    PS... Welldone Brian


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Noel Petroni on Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:27 am

    bcauchi wrote:I totally agree Ray, that is why i call it a mistake.  
    Both Marco and Ray are right.

    I have been there as well. However, I'm aging now and there is too much to do and so little time! So I skip invisible detail.

    But the detail you put in, surly it did not take that much time...... so we can forgive little invisible details.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Ray on Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:03 pm

    Noel Petroni wrote:
    bcauchi wrote:I totally agree Ray, that is why i call it a mistake.  
    Both Marco and Ray are right.

    I have been there as well. However, I'm aging now and there is too much to do and so little time! So I skip invisible detail.

    But the detail you put in, surly it did not take that much time...... so we can forgive little invisible details.
    That is what TRICKS us all.......when & we do reason that "it won't take that much time, so I'm going to do it" & so long & so forth we keep up the tempo of doing it again & again Twisted Evil

    Brian, Noel & Marco I will do my best to keep all this in mind when I restart modelling which I hope will be in the very near future cheers

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:51 pm

    Main wheel bay detail. First i cut a flat base from thin plastic sheet to obscure the bulge in the wing upper surface. This was thinned down as much as possible by sanding.


    The baseframe for the ribbing was made printers' aluminium sheeting, heavily sanded down and rivets put in.


    It is put in place with the lower wing placed on it.


    Finally the ribs put in. Now the problem is how to glue it in place in the exact positionln.



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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:53 pm

    Good thing i posted these photos, they revealed some areas which i have to file more. When you blow up things, defects become very obvious.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:14 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Good thing i posted these photos, they revealed some areas which i have to file more. When you blow up things, defects become very obvious.
    Good.. you said it before me...Shocked Laughing

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:24 pm

    Brian , I'm posting this just for guidance ... this is the new Hasegaw F kit wheel well , it is perfect in shape , just to spoiled it with that small frame , and left the G insert... but the shape is perfect...cheers 



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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  slingshot392 on Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:06 am

    It's been awhile since I've been here or other forums, some fantastic work on your 109, you are really flying through this one. Some great detail you are putting in. And if you go for the repaint and have some spare time for the Honda, that could be four models in one year!

    I've never been real big on putting tons of detail into my models, especially if you couldn't really see it, just my style as I never really had the patience for that, and now I don't have the physical ability to do it, especially getting older not being steady and the eyesight getting worse. But I'm always amazed at the detail that some of you guys put in your models and it does push me to try a little more. Definitely considering adding more detailed than I was expecting to my 1/16 balsa Spitfire.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:57 pm

    Marco, the kit one is perfect but i am very happy with my rendition which was made from nothing. It is close enough to the photos of the real thing. By the way, can you post some pics of the rest of the wheel well in the kit? How did they made the sides? There are no decent reference photos and i was going to make it like that for the early G model.

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