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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:09 am

    iCocker wrote:RayC

    When you are working on contrast, realx a bit [you know howLOL] put them aside and give them a look at arms length or more, you will notice if you are overdoing or still not there ... it helps.

    I guess especially for such a scale ciaroscuro effects work wonders, remeber teh aproach of the French Fantsy painters we admired in Girona WE, they are masters of lighting effects ...

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    I missed your input yesterday, as it would have been very useful when added to that of the others, which I must say, were very helpful as always.

    We managed to identify the areas where I need to improve and will try to do something this weekend. To be honest Ivan, I'm a great fan of chiaro scuro, but have only a vague idea on how to achieve the effect Crying or Very sad I agree 100% that in this scale C.S. is the way to go.

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  iCocker on Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:52 am

    Sorry mate could not make it, to enphasise on CS, just work on complimentary colour and one rule is that the dark shadow is not pitchbalck but a mix of complimentary hues, same goes for the highlight. Try to work in glazes ...

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    Post  RayCaruana on Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:55 am

    Thanks ivan, I will give it a try on a fresh model and see what results. Will try to take some decent pics as I go.

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    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:14 pm

    I didn't paint this weekend, but cleaned all the marching figures and started constructing the fort. OMG Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad ...WHAT A NIGHTMARE!!!! No wonder it's discontinued. The fit is horrible! I will need to rebuild most of it, using the kit only as skeleton. Sorry, no photos but you're not missing much, I assure you Twisted Evil

    On the other hand, the figures are perfect! Well sculpted and the poses are very natural. I will try to take some photos tonight.

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  bcauchi on Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:24 pm

    That's what modeling is all about. If all kits just fell together, where's the fun and innovation. That's why i challenge myself to build the old revell models i have. I will not buy any more but i will definitely build the ones i have to the same good standard as the modern counterparts. that is modeling. Have fun and refine your abilities.

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    Post  Ray on Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:49 pm

    bcauchi wrote:That's what modeling is all about. If all kits just fell together, where's the fun and innovation. That's why i challenge myself to build the old revell models i have. I will not buy any more but i will definitely build the ones i have to the same good standard as the modern counterparts. that is modeling. Have fun and refine your abilities.

    Very wise words Brian so true of SSM Blood Cool

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:39 pm

    Dear all

    I was searching the net for some info regarding medieval roofing material and came across this model of a castle. Does anyone (Ivan in particular) know whether it's historically correct pls before I start working on my miniart fort? They are cobbles to me.



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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  alexbb on Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:32 pm

    ray cobbles stones where used, mainly on outer wall and tower roofs wood was also sometimes used in main hall. caerphilly castle one of the largest in britain is all coblestone roofed. some walkaround pictures which i took last year are available in the reference section of our forum
    another picture of monmouth castle clearly shows that the tower roof was also cobblestone


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    Post  RayCaruana on Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:37 pm

    Thanks Alex! You're a treasure cheers

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:45 pm

    I managed to find two or three hours to continue working on the fort last night and made a quick mock up of how the dio would look. But to my surprise, I noticed that the metal mounted knights, although of the same scale as the resin foot soldiers, look slightly (but noticeably) over-scaled Sad Sad
    So now I have to decide whether to replace them with plastic mounted knights from the Italeri Teutonic knights set or leave it as it is, i.e with foot soldiers only. IMO it will still look good. I will try to buy the Italeri set this afternoon and see what comes out of the box! I have other options too, such as changing the subject from teutonic to English knights or maybe the crusades, but for the latter I would need to check about the fort's architectural design. Do you think it will be suitable for using as a Templar or Hospitaller fort in the Holy land? My idea would be of pilgrims entering or leaving the stronghold, escorted by Crusading knights on the flanks.

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    Post  RayCaruana on Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:12 pm

    Just had a look at what's available, but all plastic sets seem to depict the knights either in charging poses or dismounted but fighting Crying or Very sad The only potential canditates for my purpose are these, also by Valdemar in resin too. Unfortunately they are all out of stock right now, so it depends on when they will be available again.




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    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:05 am

    Some photos of how it looks without any mounted knights, just foot soldiers. What do you think? Are they enough or the knights are necessary? Is it worth the wait?

    Thank you for your help guys. This is my first attempt at a diorama and your feedback is very important to me.










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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  iCocker on Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:30 am

    RayC,

    Looks already promising ... I like the setup, would look great if you find some civilians, outside forts was a busy area with stock and stalls.

    Regarding castle roofs, I try to find some material I have on Teutonics castles as it depends were it was build, remember they had in Acre, Prussian, Poland and Russia ... so it depends were you are to geographically place your architecture!

    Normally the towers [cone shaped] were mate from slate or terracotta tiles. The flat roof stone or cobbled. Wood was used for ramparts etc... hope it helps buddy! But till now what I managed to drule out of memory ...

    With some modification you can make a Holy Land Fort, but the best for the Hospitallers was Crak de Chavalier which is very different in architecture ...

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  bcauchi on Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:34 am

    Really nice setup Ray but i agree with Ivan,civilians are required outside the fort. Looking nice

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:56 am

    Thanks Guys! I will consider all your comments.
    I downloaded Osprey's ebooks on Teutonic and Holy land fortresses, will have a look at them this evening.
    Re: Civilians, I agree 100% and in fact was already looking for some but they are either in metal (out of scale) or in the greeroom, waiting for production. I will carry on with what I have, keeping an eye open for the civilian sets to add later. Take a look at what's in the greenroom...












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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  Ray on Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:45 pm

    Looking really good and waited for Ivan to comment and suggest before I said anything as he's the guru in this field Laughing

    Very good suggestions by him as expected Twisted Evil

    Great realism on such small scale figures civilian or not Cool

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  iCocker on Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:32 pm

    RayC

    Why not plan a box diorama, and play around with some lighting effects ... for example preparing for a night raid or an early morning mission ...

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  bcauchi on Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:54 pm

    Those civilian figures are really cool and there is such a vast and realisitc choice to choose from. I love the guy asleep on the table. There's lots of scope for those. you can really do something innovative with them. And what quality too. The detail is exquisite on such a small scale.

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    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:30 pm

    iCocker wrote:RayC

    Why not plan a box diorama, and play around with some lighting effects ... for example preparing for a night raid or an early morning mission ...

    Ivan

    Very good idea Ivan. I never thought of boxed dioramas. I will continue working on what I have and if by the time I finish, the civilians are for sale, I will add them in. If not I can always leave it as it is and play around with the light to add some interest as you suggested.

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:35 pm

    Ray wrote:Looking really good and waited for Ivan to comment and suggest before I said anything as he's the guru in this field Laughing

    Very good suggestions by him as expected Twisted Evil

    Great realism on such small scale figures civilian or not Cool

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    Thanks Ray. I'm really enjoying it. I am planning to position the fort on a hill to give it a bit more realism.

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    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:56 pm

    I practically scanned all Osprey-Fortress eBooks and seems that the Miniart Fort's architectural style is closest to those of English and Welsh Castles. Most probably will have to make some general alterations to the kit or change the setting of the scene Crying or Very sad The latter option is more tempting Cool

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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  William on Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:37 am

    Is the Tower section ready?

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    Post  RayCaruana on Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:04 am

    No William. Not yet. I decided to take the long, but IMO most sensible way, and covered all the walls with magic sculpt! Now I'm scribing the stonework panels before assembling them into, hopefully, a more convincing English castle. In the mean time I ordered another set of knights, a set of guards this time.







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    Re: Teutonic knights in 1:72 scale

    Post  bcauchi on Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:30 am

    Those are some really cool guys you got there Ray, this is really going to be good.

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    Post  RayCaruana on Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:45 am

    bcauchi wrote:Those are some really cool guys you got there Ray, this is really going to be good.

    Yes Brian they are very well-modelled. I hope to start putting things together soon. I didn't have much modelling time at hand last week Sad And yesterday was too nice a weather to stay indoors (my wife's words not mine Rolling Eyes )

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