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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  Wayne on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:45 pm

    skyhigh wrote:
    Wayne wrote:Is that an F2 or an F4? can you tell scratch




    Wayne it's an F.4, you can see the exhaust shrouds half coverd , cheers





    I thought some F2s also had that cover......

    Hats off for finding the colour profile of the aircraft too! ur the king


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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:58 pm

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    Wayne wrote:Is that an F2 or an F4? can you tell scratch




    Wayne it's an F.4, you can see the exhaust shrouds half coverd , cheers




    Sorry wrong one I post , this is the good one ..0-Bf-109F4Trop-4_JG27-(W12+-)-8438-El-Gazala-Dec-1941-0A


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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:08 pm

    [quote="Wayne"][quote="skyhigh"]
    Wayne wrote:Is that an F2 or an F4? can you tell scratch




    Wayne it's an F.4, you can see the exhaust shrouds half coverd , cheers






    I thought some F2s also had that cover......


    Yes you are right, but mainly they haven't...

    and another thing I have other photos of this aircraft






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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  Wayne on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:36 pm

    Mhux biex immerik imma I don't think that the one on the truck is the same as the one in the other photos. For starters The "Flying Lion" is missing and there is no cowling cover (although it could have been removed). Also, the shape of the number 12 in the second colour profile does not match. I think the first profile is closer, however the 109 on the truck also had what appears to be a red rudder.

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:40 pm

    Wayne wrote:Mhux biex immerik imma I don't think that the one on the truck is the same as the one in the other photos. For starters The "Flying Lion" is missing and there is no cowling cover (although it could have been removed). Also, the shape of the number 12 in the second colour profile does not match. I think the first profile is closer, however the 109 on the truck also had what appears to be a red rudder.

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    Wayne don't trust colour profiles , it's the same aircraft ,the rudder is the shadow in the sun and all the photos from the same source..... cheers

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  Wayne on Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:16 pm

    skyhigh wrote:
    Wayne wrote:Mhux biex immerik imma I don't think that the one on the truck is the same as the one in the other photos. For starters The "Flying Lion" is missing and there is no cowling cover (although it could have been removed). Also, the shape of the number 12 in the second colour profile does not match. I think the first profile is closer, however the 109 on the truck also had what appears to be a red rudder.

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    Wayne don't trust colour profiles , it's the same aircraft ,the rudder is the shadow in the sun and all the photos from the same source..... cheers

    Ok. Forget the colour profiles (I agree they are not reliable) but I still don't think its the same aircraft. Clearly both of them have been abandoned and captured by the allies, however one is crashed the other isn't (evident from the prop and spinner) don't you agree?

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  J.Fenech on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:29 pm

    Skyhigh, I think Wayne has a point regarding the '12' as from the picture it looks more similar to the first profile. As to what version of the 109 it is, I am not going into the merit as that is your field of knowledge.

    As for the pictures, if they are all correct, they are different aircraft. The first one seems to have made a wheels up landing judging from the props and as Wayne said the second one has an intact prop. Add to this the first 109 being loading on the truck by the british seems to have the white extending to the cowling area behind the prop, thus making the first profile a stronger option.

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  Ray on Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:42 pm

    Jekk ma naqbel XEJN ma' Marco (hafna minnu apposta just for kicks) I TRUST HIM WITH MY LIFE WHERE ALL AIRCRAFT (109'S GALORE YES) ARE CONCERNED as he NEVER MISSED A BEAT AFAIK Suspect

    Go Marco Go show them that you're not the No1 Photographer of SSM for nothing Sad


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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:15 pm

    J.Fenech wrote:Skyhigh, I think Wayne has a point regarding the '12' as from the picture it looks more similar to the first profile. As to what version of the 109 it is, I am not going into the merit as that is your field of knowledge.

    As for the pictures, if they are all correct, they are different aircraft. The first one seems to have made a wheels up landing judging from the props and as Wayne said the second one has an intact prop. Add to this the first 109 being loading on the truck by the british seems to have the white extending to the cowling area behind the prop, thus making the first profile a stronger option.


    Joe and Wayne as you can see I changed the second photo to this one that is the same one with the lion , because you were right about the prop... mixed inf from the site I borrowed.... but still I think it's the same aircraft in the truck, and Joe about the white ring after the spinner, may be the strong sunlight ....even the number two is the same.....

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:23 pm

    No it's not the same aircraft , even it's not the first profile either .. because there is no battle holes on the fuselage... sorry mis inf from the site I borrowed ,but still a good diorama... cheers

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  J.Fenech on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:15 am

    skyhigh wrote: No it's not the same aircraft , even it's not the first profile either .. because there is no battle holes on the fuselage... sorry mis inf from the site I borrowed ,but still a good diorama... cheers



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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  iCocker on Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:31 pm

    [quote="skyhigh"][quote="Wayne"]
    skyhigh wrote:
    Wayne wrote:Is that an F2 or an F4? can you tell scratch




    Wayne it's an F.4, you can see the exhaust shrouds half coverd , cheers






    I thought some F2s also had that cover......


    Yes you are right, but mainly they haven't...

    and another thing I have other photos of this aircraft






    Nice scratches on that 109 ...

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:17 pm

    Keep the queue .......




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    Re: Joint dioramas

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    Re: Joint dioramas

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:14 pm

    This is interesting Ivan TaQali 42...


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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  Ray on Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:58 am

    Very Interesting Marco Twisted Evil

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  iCocker on Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:44 am

    Hawn tal-Bigilla!!!! Hekk qed jghatini l-impressjoni ... tghid x'kien dak il-gabilott qied jghamel eh?

    Interesting those crewmen killing time under the wing for shade ... why are the spit's wheels covered with sandbags?

    Marco any idea of the colour Twisted Evil for sure it looks dusty!

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:50 am

    iCocker wrote:Hawn tal-Bigilla!!!! Hekk qed jghatini l-impressjoni ... tghid x'kien dak il-gabilott qied jghamel eh?

    Interesting those crewmen killing time under the wing for shade ... why are the spit's wheels covered with sandbags?

    Marco any idea of the colour Twisted Evil for sure it looks dusty!



    Ivan , I think trying to protect them from the heat heq...
    colour scheme ...boqq... Rolling Eyes for shure it's a Vc and possible dark colour..not one solid colour something like this, as I was explaning to Gordon last wed club meeting...


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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  Wayne on Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:10 am

    I think this picture settles it. Heavy weathering on aircraft does have its place... I mean that Spit looks far far off from being Spit Polished!



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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  iCocker on Wed May 30, 2012 11:19 pm

    Another pull along, this time a DAK Panzer1 trailing a Stuka R2 or B along ... N.Africa



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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  alexbb on Thu May 31, 2012 10:47 am

    now this is interesting

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  Ray on Thu May 31, 2012 2:39 pm

    alex GIMLI wrote:now this is interesting

    Definitely it is Twisted Evil

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  skyhigh on Thu May 31, 2012 3:41 pm

    Ejja Alex do we start , ....what info you want.. study

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    Re: Joint dioramas

    Post  J.Fenech on Thu May 31, 2012 3:54 pm

    skyhigh wrote:Ejja Alex do we start , ....what info you want.. study

    If you want to help, do so by building the Stuka yourself and the others will build the rest!

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