Sherman Alamein - (READY!!!!!!)

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    Re: Sherman Alamein - (READY!!!!!!)

    Post  Noel Petroni on Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:53 am

    I weathered the tracks with pigments and fitted them to the Sherman.

    Just now I was fitting the PE fenders and side skirts.... boy!...... not very well designed to be fitted! I am having a 10 minute break clown






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    Post  Noel Petroni on Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:46 am

    Sand shields are done! tongue

    Tomorrow...maybe I'll spray the Sherman! bounce




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    Post  alexbb on Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:58 am

    looking good
    keep em rolling

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    Post  iCocker on Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:11 pm

    Noel

    Why have you not weathered the underside and wheels before you finished the tracks and shields? As it is it's gonna be a headache trying to weather that area. Something I advise as I experienced this issue when I was doing my postwar Sherman hybrid is that sand colour is a pain to achieve weathering, though I used a lot of dusting in mine, if I was doing it again I would work more with oils like what Mario Eens made with his Desesert Pz1 last Euro.

    If you are working with pigments as well try to use mixes of different colour ... leave the lightest one for highlighting. In mine I left the sand shields as the last resort and placed them when complete finished ... use also some good filters as I adviced that desert yellow is a nightmare to get a balanced weathering effect ... too much light pigments would look like it has gone through a sand storm and no depth in the overall effect ... lucky you have some blotches of other colours and chipping to make some contrast ... keep them coming!

    PS the last wheel, the idler spoked type was an all metal wheel, no rubber!

    Image of my hybrid before it went to further weathering and highlighting, as the first go was almost lost on the colour ...

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    I think...

    Post  Dottore on Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:20 pm

    his idler wheel is painted to represent polished metal in contact with the tracks as in the profile he painted no rubber....

    Also caution with the MG mount maybe you need to apply some filler where it mates with the cupola ring and put a dab of putty to represent the welding where its arms meet the cupola...

    Love the sand skirts...do you weld the PE these days or use cyano?

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    Post  Noel Petroni on Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:57 pm

    Why have you not weathered the underside and wheels before you finished the tracks and shields?
    Didn't feel like it!! I'll tackle the weathering in one go! I feel better that way as I'll be concentrating and mixing washes and pigments on the spot........... I might not get the same colour if I do it a week after!!

    .. lucky you have some blotches of other colours and chipping to make some contrast ... keep them coming!
    I still did not meditate on what choice of washes I'm going to use....... as soon as I'll have it painted and chipped, my brain will start it's process of figuring out what washes and pigments to use!

    PS the last wheel, the idler spoked type was an all metal wheel, no rubber!

    Matthew is right on that! Plus they will take some washes as well

    Also caution with the MG mount maybe you need to apply some filler where it mates with the cupola ring and put a dab of putty to represent the welding where its arms meet the cupola...

    Love the sand skirts...do you weld the PE these days or use cyano?

    Dottore

    Thanks for the heads up on that!!!! I part missed it and part did not know how it was attached!
    I used only Super Mario.......sorry ....Glue for the PE.

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    Post  bcauchi on Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:46 pm

    What a lovely job Noel, it is really looking great.

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    Post  iCocker on Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:54 pm

    Noel and Matthew

    This is interesting but how can a painted metal idler become bare metal on the surface that has contact with rubber? I guess that the only part that might become bare metal are the edges, the area that is flat touching rubber, I would guess that only slight scratches from abrasive sand revealing the undercoat OD then metal? But you never now with Shermans what might reveal so highlight this for me guys ...



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    Weathering referance

    Post  iCocker on Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:22 pm

    I think sometimes we are over enthusiastic on the polished metal effect of a tank's running gear, though have never seen a tank in action, the next closer to it locally are construction engines, so here is a small 'caterpillar' stationed for a Sunday after a week hard work in sand and concrete ... notice that tracks are all metal, contact is extreme metal to metal + a lot of abrasive material cement and sand ... The steps that reveals till metal is base coat. then undercoat, then metal, but look closer metal is not polished just dark coloured smooth metal ... nothing silvery, polished!






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    Post  iCocker on Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:27 pm

    Some more interesting weathering effects ... and chipping galore!



    The 'polished area'





    Chipping, primer, rust and oil


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    clarification...

    Post  Dottore on Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:32 pm

    Ivan I didnt say the idler should be polished steel, just interpreted what Noel tried to portray...I would keep idler basecoated.

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    Post  iCocker on Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:38 pm

    Heq now it depends, if Shermans were paited or base coated desert on the field [which i doubt] or factory finished but still I would guess that idler would be finished in sand all throughout.

    I have seen Humvees being prepared for the Gulf and painted on deck on their way to the desert and I can assure you they do not mask anything, they overspray the tyres and canvas as well ... apart that no two matched, ranging from a pinkish hue to a yellowish and this was 1991 ...

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    Post  Dottore on Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:13 pm

    I meant I would have left idler in desert colour...

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    Post  Ray on Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:04 pm

    Mammam Mia how TECHNICAL this thread has become Embarassed pale so I'll only watch from a safe distance and admire Noel's speed and ability drunken

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    Post  iCocker on Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:14 pm

    No Ray would be a pity we do not have your contribution, we are just discussing to be much near to realism ... I think it is our main aim in AFV modelling now, we get weathering as much realistic as possible!

    Keep it up guys it's getting an interesting thread ... and surely the final build would be another masterpiece from Noel!

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    Post  Noel Petroni on Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:26 pm

    Noel and Matthew

    This is interesting but how can a painted metal idler become bare metal on the surface that has contact with rubber?

    Quite right! I'll take note of this and amend accordingly!

    Very interesting pics, Ivan..........and you seem to be right in your point of polished steel.

    I'm hoping that I'll spray tomorrow morning......... my God let my children sleep an hour more Rolling Eyes

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    Post  skyhigh on Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:22 pm









    I'm hoping that I'll spray tomorrow morning......... my God let my children sleep an hour more Rolling Eyes
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    Great Noel ...just great I like the way you pronouce it ......Thanks God.....

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    Post  Noel Petroni on Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:01 am

    This is what I did this morning:

    Desert Pink


    Pre-Shading



    Highlights


    Camo


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    Post  iCocker on Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:12 pm

    Seems your children slept mate, thank God!

    Looking pretty in pink cheers

    Keep it coming, refreshing to see a dressed up sherman!

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    Post  bcauchi on Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:05 pm

    Wow Noel, what great camo. That is the modellers best friend, the childrens' sleeptime. It is only thanks to that we get some time to work.

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    Post  alexbb on Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:51 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Wow Noel, what great camo. That is the modellers best friend, the childrens' sleeptime. It is only thanks to that we get some time to work.
    that is untill they grow up. when they grow up like mine they take over your space and tools and you become a begger in your own home

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    Post  Noel Petroni on Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:07 pm

    The white boarder..........








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    Post  skyhigh on Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:18 pm

    Fantastic Noel just fantastic ... affraid cheers

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    Post  Ray on Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:48 pm

    Noel, you're fast man, really fast Shocked

    But its good to see that you don't sacrifice quality for quantity Twisted Evil

    Impressive work to say the least cheers

    Now who said that Shermans come only in OD Suspect ??????

    Keep them coming mate.........

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    Post  iCocker on Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:29 am

    Looking Good!

    I love this idea that everyone is trying to be precise and reflect on the BW image by turning their project in greyscale, but beware not always might work fine, we are in the digital age, those veterans had just apretures and lenses to get the job done cheers

    Bring it over this Wednesday Noel, would love to see before you progress to the next step ...

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