Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  AdriaN on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:32 pm

    The CF-104 Starfighters are actual 3 flying aircraft, youd have to go to america to see them Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  J.Fenech on Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:57 am

    1/48th Revell F-104G and hasegawa are the same, except for the marking. The G version has been reboxed in different markings by hasegawa. The two seater and the earlier C versions are also available from hasegawa. The S version was also boxed by hasegawa but have to check out whether it is truly an S version. Anyway the G is the most exported version so more than enough markings to go around inckuding the 2 seat versions as well. The C version was built in small numbers and used by the USAF, while the S version is an italian use only variant just retired a few years ago.

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  J.Fenech on Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:21 am

    so far it is looking good. I agree with brian that the pit would have benefitted from more drybrushing but it still looks good. If you are doing the italian version, you have to be a bit careful. Early starfigters in italian service were Gs, and were in bare metal and later in camoflage schemes. The overall grey ones are if not mistaken mostly S versions(i am referring to single seats) If you are using the basic Hasegawa/revell G version it needs some modifications to produce an S version such as intakes and exhaust as they had a different engine than the G. One thing that both italian G/S have in common is the ejection seat which is not the lockheed c-2 seat, so you need to change the seat to a martin baker GQ-7 (if I recall the unit correctly): these were fitted to german and italian starfighters, others used the c-2 seat.

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  AdriaN on Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:33 pm

    He is right about the seat Twisted Evil
    Earlier version used the Stanley/Lockheed C1, C2 seats
    http://www.ejectionsite.com/frame_sg.htm (scroll down and ull find them)


    Another thing is... the S version, alongside the fin and the bottom, had an extra two small ones on either sides of the fin Wink

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  danchircop on Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:18 am

    Thanks Joseph for the heads up regarding the seat. Unfortunately my research wasn't that thorough and in this case the instructions specify the wrong seat for the italian version. I will stick to the F104G though. I hope I'll manage to take off the seat now coz everything is in place now.
    There's another anomaly I discovered in the instructions and that's the transition between the camo and the silver on the underside. According to the instructions the transition should be in a wavy sort of pattern but according to actual photos it should be a straight line. Am i correct?

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  AdriaN on Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:15 pm

    danchircop wrote:Thanks Joseph for the heads up regarding the seat. Unfortunately my research wasn't that thorough and in this case the instructions specify the wrong seat for the italian version. I will stick to the F104G though. I hope I'll manage to take off the seat now coz everything is in place now.
    There's another anomaly I discovered in the instructions and that's the transition between the camo and the silver on the underside. According to the instructions the transition should be in a wavy sort of pattern but according to actual photos it should be a straight line. Am i correct?

    It seems that the instructions are wrong.
    Take a look at guys who did what your doing Wink :
    http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal5/4501-4600/gal4510_F-104_Chan/00.shtm

    http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal3/2101-2200/Gal2179_F-104_Dominguez/00.shtm

    http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal8/7201-7300/gal7286-F-104-Doerr/00.shtm

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  J.Fenech on Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:31 pm

    you are welcome, will get back to you on the camouflage demarcations. If the seat is difficult to remove without risk of causing damage you might take into consideration other markings. There are still quite some options, but if you manage to remove i suggest you replace it with an aftermarket seat. Modern seats are difficult to detail and almost mandatory to scrap kit seats.

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  danchircop on Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:55 pm

    Luckily enough I managed to remove the seat. I also thought about going for an aftermarket seat but probably I'll stick to the one provided with the kit especially since the canopy will be closed.

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  skyhigh on Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:45 pm

    Here is some drawings of the MB seat...

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    Post  skyhigh on Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:11 pm

    And here is some more inf and colours....

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    Post  skyhigh on Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:18 pm


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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  J.Fenech on Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:39 pm

    danchircop wrote:Thanks Joseph for the heads up regarding the seat. Unfortunately my research wasn't that thorough and in this case the instructions specify the wrong seat for the italian version. I will stick to the F104G though. I hope I'll manage to take off the seat now coz everything is in place now.
    There's another anomaly I discovered in the instructions and that's the transition between the camo and the silver on the underside. According to the instructions the transition should be in a wavy sort of pattern but according to actual photos it should be a straight line. Am i correct?


    The demarcation line between the camo and aluminium is a straight line, and you are correct. Have a look at these links re pictures of italian F-104G. I find this site very useful for reference of modern aircraft.

    http://www.airliners.net/photo/Italy---Air/Fiat-F-104G-Starfighter/0211729/L/&sid=8a355791db9d8ff3064e37e7e1af0a73

    http://www.airliners.net/photo/Italy---Air/Fiat-F-104G-Starfighter/0491643/L/&sid=8a355791db9d8ff3064e37e7e1af0a73

    As for the scheme, what I found is that they were finished in dark green/dark grey with silver undersides
    Dark Green RAL6014(FS24064)
    Dark Grey RAL7012(FS36152)

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  skyhigh on Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:52 pm

    And if your planing to add a fig pilot here is some uniforms...colours.....F-104S..


    ....F-104G...

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  danchircop on Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:30 am

    Thank you all for the info.

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:54 am

    Your wellcome Daniel , when you need some inf..just let me now...

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  Ray on Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:21 am

    skyhigh wrote:Your wellcome Daniel , when you need some inf..just let me now...

    You call that "SOME" Evil or Very Mad

    You're just an OCEAN of INFO in ALL fields of our hobby Twisted Evil

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:26 am

    It's my pleasure Ray to serv and help in inf...as long as it is modeling and history my pleasure....... cheers

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  AdriaN on Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:02 pm

    Marco thank you for those seat details. They will come in handy since im stuck on my F104 seat seatbelts (positioning and colour mostly)! But im still confused with the all those 'spaggetti' straps Crying or Very sad Do you have any more good detailed/ coloured photos of the seatbelts?

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:33 pm

    Ok I see what else I can find......

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  AdriaN on Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:35 pm

    skyhigh wrote:Ok I see what else I can find......


    If you do, post them in my F104 build please, cos were hyjacking dans build Rolling Eyes cheers

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:01 pm

    Ok exactly what I was going to tell you , well check your built then here we go... cheers

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  in nannu pec on Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:16 pm

    Hi Guys....I was clearing out my library and found an Aerodata International publication of the Lockheed F104 Starfighhter...It's got plans , schemes the lot...if any of u guys are interested I will get it over to the club and you can have it.....
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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  Ray on Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:50 pm

    IN NANNU PEC wrote:Hi Guys....I was clearing out my library and found an Aerodata International publication of the Lockheed F104 Starfighhter...It's got plans , schemes the lot...if any of u guys are interested I will get it over to the club and you can have it.....
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    Nannu Pec, Marco will have to approve if they are accurate or not (the plans and schemes) lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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    Re: Hasegawa F-104G 1/48

    Post  danchircop on Fri May 21, 2010 11:09 am

    Hi everyone,
    I finally found some time to continue working on the F-104. I had a go at Vallejo's model air and I must say that they are pretty lovely to work with. No clogging, no need for thinning (I still added 1 or 2 drops of water) and smooth finish. Really great to work with.

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