Dassault MD-454 Mystere IV A ''Patrouille de France'' (Revell 1:72)

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    Re: Dassault MD-454 Mystere IV A ''Patrouille de France'' (Revell 1:72)

    Post  bcauchi on Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:18 pm

    You are doing a brilliant job Adrian, sorry i can;t help with the colours, i am not into that sort of thing but the entire painting job looks great.

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    Post  AdriaN on Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:31 pm

    The climax of the build is yet to come...when i 'undress' the aircraft to reveal whats underneath Rolling Eyes




    i.e remove the masking tape Razz

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    Post  J.Fenech on Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:20 pm

    AdriaN wrote:The climax of the build is yet to come...when i 'undress' the aircraft to reveal whats underneath Rolling Eyes




    i.e remove the masking tape Razz


    Good luck!!!!!

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    Post  bcauchi on Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:42 am

    I hope that you don;t get any unpleasant surprises.

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    Post  J.Fenech on Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:30 am

    model master metalizers are great for metallic effects, but at least it happens to me, when masked, they have a tendency to come off with the masking tape, ruining the effect. Hope that this does not happen to you. Next time, try to work the other way round, leaving the metallics for the end.

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    Post  AdriaN on Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:15 pm

    J.Fenech wrote:model master metalizers are great for metallic effects, but at least it happens to me, when masked, they have a tendency to come off with the masking tape, ruining the effect. Hope that this does not happen to you. Next time, try to work the other way round, leaving the metallics for the end.

    I did not use metalizers for this. i used ordinary aluminum MM paint! it shudt peel.

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    Post  AdriaN on Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:54 pm

    SUCCESS! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    I experimented with my new 'French Blue', mixing it with lufthansa blue, then white, then with all 3. And i got an exact blue shade as the decals blue. which saved me a lot of trouble because i was planning on mixing a blue shade, sticking the decals, masking over the decals and leaving the blue area bare and spraying over the blue with my new blue mix! *feeeew*



    *blue may seem darker/brighter in pics because i took it at night under a neon*









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    Re: Dassault MD-454 Mystere IV A ''Patrouille de France'' (Revell 1:72)

    Post  AdriaN on Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:55 pm

    NOOOOOOOO!
    Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Mad


    I love acrylics... but somtimes i really hate them! (red and white)
    The white is the bloody victim here. as it came off it also pulled off the blue and red with it since it was the first colour to go on! A lot of carefull and tedious touching up to do!






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    Re: Dassault MD-454 Mystere IV A ''Patrouille de France'' (Revell 1:72)

    Post  slingshot392 on Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:51 pm

    That was looking really good up until the tape pulled the paint off, hopefully it's an easy fix, keeping my fingers crossed. Very colorful fighter!

    Not sure if I missed it if you said somewhere, you have the landing gear up, did you drill a hole for a pylon or are you going to hang it from the ceiling?

    It's too late now, but maybe for your next one, another good alternative for an attractive looking aluminum finish that's really easy to do is Rub N Buff Silverleaf. It goes on easily and is pretty sturdy and can be polished up to a nice shine.

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    Post  AdriaN on Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:22 am

    slingshot392 wrote:That was looking really good up until the tape pulled the paint off, hopefully it's an easy fix, keeping my fingers crossed. Very colorful fighter!

    Not sure if I missed it if you said somewhere, you have the landing gear up, did you drill a hole for a pylon or are you going to hang it from the ceiling?

    It's too late now, but maybe for your next one, another good alternative for an attractive looking aluminum finish that's really easy to do is Rub N Buff Silverleaf. It goes on easily and is pretty sturdy and can be polished up to a nice shine.


    Not really! its gonna be very tough since there is a lot of remasking, spraying, there are many tiny areas which need repainting, sanding down thick lines which were in contact with tape, ALSO the tape left sticky residue behind which i cant remove! Evil or Very Mad

    Regarding the finish i am either gonna make a 'mini set up' with it on a stand with turf like the picture above OR on the ground with canopy covers.

    It doesnt make sense giving it a polished bright aluminum finish since its of 1:72, and i dont want it too look like a toy!

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    Post  Guest on Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:09 am

    AdriaN wrote:
    slingshot392 wrote:That was looking really good up until the tape pulled the paint off, hopefully it's an easy fix, keeping my fingers crossed. Very colorful fighter!

    Not sure if I missed it if you said somewhere, you have the landing gear up, did you drill a hole for a pylon or are you going to hang it from the ceiling?

    It's too late now, but maybe for your next one, another good alternative for an attractive looking aluminum finish that's really easy to do is Rub N Buff Silverleaf. It goes on easily and is pretty sturdy and can be polished up to a nice shine.


    Not really! its gonna be very tough since there is a lot of remasking, spraying, there are many tiny areas which need repainting, sanding down thick lines which were in contact with tape, ALSO the tape left sticky residue behind which i cant remove! Evil or Very Mad

    Regarding the finish i am either gonna make a 'mini set up' with it on a stand with turf like the picture above OR on the ground with canopy covers.

    It doesnt make sense giving it a polished bright aluminum finish since its of 1:72, and i dont want it too look like a toy!




    I have found that 409 or other household cleaners will take off tape residue...

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    Post  AdriaN on Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:15 am

    we dont have such stuff here in malta lol!
    I need something gentle that doest react with acrylic or enamel. i was thinking of leaving it in warm water with dish soap. or surgical spirit? scratch

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    Post  bcauchi on Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:09 pm

    Don't give up Adrian, you are doing an excellent job, nothing that some skill and patience cannot fix. When you mask, try to use paper and paint one bit at a time, no tape, just hold a piece of paper down where you want the line and spray the paint. No glues and you will get a nice straight line. You can even wet it a bit to keep it down in place. You just have to work a bit fast and not spay over a large area.

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    Post  AdriaN on Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:46 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Don't give up Adrian, you are doing an excellent job, nothing that some skill and patience cannot fix. When you mask, try to use paper and paint one bit at a time, no tape, just hold a piece of paper down where you want the line and spray the paint. No glues and you will get a nice straight line. You can even wet it a bit to keep it down in place. You just have to work a bit fast and not spay over a large area.


    thank you for that tip! Very Happy

    Right now ive restarted touching up, using very little tape. just thin tamiya tape. The victim for lifting paint is the 'house hold' masking tape which i used, which had been stuck on for over than a month! After spraying i have a lot of little parts that i will brush paint on.

    Any ideas on what i can use to remove the tape residue Brian?

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    Post  clioguy on Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:28 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Don't give up Adrian, you are doing an excellent job, nothing that some skill and patience cannot fix. When you mask, try to use paper and paint one bit at a time, no tape, just hold a piece of paper down where you want the line and spray the paint. No glues and you will get a nice straight line. You can even wet it a bit to keep it down in place. You just have to work a bit fast and not spay over a large area.

    Now THAT is a great tip! Thanks for sharing Brian!

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    Post  Scirocco on Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:14 pm

    AdriaN wrote:
    bcauchi wrote:Don't give up Adrian, you are doing an excellent job, nothing that some skill and patience cannot fix. When you mask, try to use paper and paint one bit at a time, no tape, just hold a piece of paper down where you want the line and spray the paint. No glues and you will get a nice straight line. You can even wet it a bit to keep it down in place. You just have to work a bit fast and not spay over a large area.


    thank you for that tip! Very Happy

    Right now ive restarted touching up, using very little tape. just thin tamiya tape. The victim for lifting paint is the 'house hold' masking tape which i used, which had been stuck on for over than a month! After spraying i have a lot of little parts that i will brush paint on.

    Any ideas on what i can use to remove the tape residue Brian?

    Adrian,

    I have used a contact cleaner, named K6 bought from G&E electronics to remove tape residue especially from transparencies, and I it is great for that job (It is a little oily though and does not dry instantly). I have also used it on enamels and it seems to do them no harm, but I have never tried it on acrylics. Try a test before rubbing on any model though. I hope that helps.

    Gordon.

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    Post  AdriaN on Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:48 pm

    IM BACK! Very Happy

    This build has literally been christened... 'an accident waiting to happen' Twisted Evil
    Everytime i progress, something goes wrong! The problem isnt the kit.. but the complexity of the markings, alongside rotten bad luck. monkey

    These are some of the problems:
    1) As we saw before i was plagued by peeling paint, which kept happening almost evertime i retouched the damaged parts. My solution (which worked) was to give the paint 2 coatings of future/klear... and no more paint peeled off! (around 95%)

    *2) After all the delicate touching up... the aluminum finish was damaged. So i had to remask the 3 colours AGAIN Evil or Very Mad and spray silver this time. Aluminum looked too 'dotty'. I sprayed the silver & the finish came out full of different shades because of the polluted underyling surface (alum, black, plastic). So i wet sanded it all. primed it with gray paint & sprayed the silver-SUCCESS. Evil or Very Mad

    3) When spraying the panels on the tail, some thinner on the tissue ate its way into the fresh silver! AGAIN i had to mask & resprayed the damaged area. again i made the same mistake of not priming the surface. Evil or Very Mad

    This is it mentioned in no2. Sanded & REMASKED in prep for the silver.

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    Post  AdriaN on Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:03 pm

    The model has FINALLY been given 'a few' coatings of Klear/Future, in preperation for decals. If the decalling stage goes well... i will start believing in miracles Rolling Eyes









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    Post  Guest on Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:27 am

    So far seems good Adrian but you better wait for the others opinion. Maybe if you can bring it to the club they will help you better

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    Post  AdriaN on Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:39 am

    RAF wrote:So far seems good Adrian but you better wait for the others opinion. Maybe if you can bring it to the club they will help you better


    Ive already started decalling. its going well Very Happy i will bring it when they are done.

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    Post  bcauchi on Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:07 pm

    Looking really great Adrian, it is a beauty and your masking is just excellent and the different colours look very well placed. In other words, i really like it.

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    Post  AdriaN on Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:17 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Looking really great Adrian, it is a beauty and your masking is just excellent and the different colours look very well placed. In other words, i really like it.

    Im glad Very Happy the masking is an art in itself and tests your patience and skill to the limit.

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    Post  AdriaN on Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:52 pm

    Decalling ready! Very Happy
    They went on really well with aid from MM decal solvent solution. The model definetly looks fuller and more colourfull. Actually it looks more like a ''flying french flag'' with all those 3 coloured lines.
    It was a bit tough trying to line the decals up parallel. Decals were a bit thin so the white came out darker than the painted white. Sad

    Next step is touching up, weathering, gloss coating, some light sanding...& figuring out its final set up!








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    Post  Joseph on Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:31 pm

    Well done, excellent work.

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    Post  David on Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:14 pm

    Proset eh!

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