A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

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    A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  clioguy on Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:10 am

    Hi all,

    Just wanted to give you an update and let you know that I have re-started my modelling madness after visiting the club again (something which I truly missed over the past months).

    So I have decided to do a double build of 2 similar aircraft: the Wildcat and the Martlet Mk-V. Both are in 1/32 scale with one kit from Trumpeter and the other from Revell.

    Since both kits had the foldable wings options, I intend to do one with folded wings and the other with the wings in the extended position (both kits give the ability to have the wings move from extended to folded, but, as a lot of you say, if it moves, it breaks!)

    Here are some pics of the kits:



    The parts of the Trumpeter are much better moulded and the quality and details is much better than Revell's.


    Trumpeter parts being dry-fitted. The engine detailing is quite good but will need some fine tuning. Trumpeter kit has moveable surface which are useless IMHO.


    Revell parts still on sprue. Some parts are warped and will need adjustments. Engine detail is very poor on the Revell kit. Revell kit gives the option of either undercarriage down or up.

    I have just started construction of the Trumpeter kit. I will start the Revell kit shortly so I can build them in parallel. However I need you help guys.... I need as much photos of the details as possible, like the wing folding mechanism and photos of the actual aircraft (not museum or restored). If you can point me in the right direction I would really appreciate!

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    Post  bcauchi on Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:32 pm

    Good luck with the builds, will be following closely.

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    Post  clioguy on Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:33 pm

    Thanks Brian.... how are your 110's coming together??

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    Post  clioguy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:47 pm

    Hi all,

    Just a quick update on the progress so far....

    I have started assembling the wings for the Wildcat. As said before, these can be left moveable, but they are too flimsy so they will be stuck in the folded position. Here are a couple of photos:


    This pic is of the starboard wing which has it's ejection marks filled in with Mr White Putty and are left to dry.


    This pic is of the port wing which has had it's ejection marks filled and some of them sanded. You can also see some of the wing ribbing in place.


    This is part of the Wasp engine included with the kit, again with ejection marks filled in ready for sanding.

    The major problem I am getting with this kit is the number of ejection marks present in visible areas which need to be filled in and sanded.

    Will keep you posted on progress.
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    Post  Dottore on Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:31 pm

    Glad to hear from you!!!! And even better to see some WIP!!!

    Seems like you have started a double build like me cheers
    Somehow i feel youre a faster builder than I am though LOL

    Keep them coming!

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    Post  clioguy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:56 pm

    I will dottore... long time no see....

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    Post  jojjemannen on Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:12 am

    Hi, don't think I ever met you but good work!

    Dual build Smile And yes, you are alot faster then Dottore..

    /Joseph

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    Post  bcauchi on Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:38 am

    Check my thread on the 110's. One big hurdle is ove, the cockpits are done and hopefully i will soon be gluing the fuselage halves together. Thanks for asking.

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    Post  Ray on Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:59 am

    That's the spirit Duncan, keep it rolling on the double Twisted Evil

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    Post  iCocker on Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:00 am

    Ah so your night shifts are over tongue

    Glad to see you back to productivity! Keep them coming I like when you guys get the vibe to built two 'identical' models in a row ... on day I have to do such a production line with my T34s ....

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    Post  skyhigh on Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:58 pm

    jojjemannen wrote:Hi, don't think I ever met you but good work!

    Dual build Smile And yes, you are alot faster then Dottore..

    /Joseph


    Tiny he's the one that last wed brought That Japanese Oscar in 1/32...

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    Post  alexbb on Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:12 pm

    iCocker wrote:Ah so your night shifts are over tongue

    Glad to see you back to productivity! Keep them coming I like when you guys get the vibe to built two 'identical' models in a row ... on day I have to do such a production line with my T34s ....

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    Post  clioguy on Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:51 pm

    Cheers guys for the replies... see you later today.

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    Post  slingshot392 on Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:59 am

    Looks like a nice start to a great project, they will look great next to each other. Check your references on the floor of the Wildcat, I believe (although I'm not positive) that the floor was open, not a solid floor like Trumpeter has. I think the floor is to look like Brian's Corsair.

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    Post  skyhigh on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:39 pm

    clioguy next wed you'll have a full cd of wildcat documentation...

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    Post  clioguy on Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:25 pm

    Hi guys, I've been busy building these aircraft over the past weeks and I thought I would post an update on progress so far. I decided I would complete as much construction as possible without painting anything, and that is the progress so far (with some photos attached):

    Both fuselages side-by-side. Both kits are quite accurate as regards the size of the aircraft, with the fuselages being the same length and shape.




    Next a look at the wings. Again both are quite accurate and the same overall length and size.


    However, one of the Revell wing halves is "slightly" warped:

    One other problem with the Revell kit is the complete lack of detailing in the wing ribbing. This will not be a problem because as already said, I will be making the Revell will be with the wings fully extended while the Trumpeter kit with will have the wings folded back.

    These are the rear horizontal stabilisers / elevators. Again same overall size and shape:




    Now the biggest difference of all, the engine (if you can call Revell's version an engine:


    Trumpeter's engine is made up of 39 pieces, Revell's engine of only 4.

    Finally, Revell also included in their moulding the actual date of manufacture:


    More updates will follow soon.

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    Post  AdriaN on Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:34 am

    is it possible that mould is 41 years old?? Surprised

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    Post  clioguy on Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:41 am

    AdriaN wrote:is it possible that mould is 41 years old?? Surprised
    I guess it is a re-issue of the original 41-yr old mould..... more "senior" (aka old rabbit ) members will know probabbly

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    Post  AdriaN on Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:44 am

    If anyone can tell me how i can find the manufacture date of a model please. is it near the copyright? or is that the date of issue of the copyright?

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    Post  Ray on Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:29 am

    Great to see this kind of visual info in this SBS Duncan Twisted Evil

    And your modelling spirit is doubley evident cheers


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    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:18 am

    Everything is a matter of how much are you gonna pay...Revell's kit..is an old but VERY CHEAP kit!!!

    According to my opinion everybody should take a good lesson from Brian Cauchi's Corsair (Revell)...How he managed to take a "nothing" and make it a REAL MASTERPIECE...





    Trumpeter..is a well Known mistaker... The most of her models are out of accuracy...I dont trust her...


    Alex.

    PS..The above are my personal opinion, and nothing to do with you. Ok?

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    Post  bcauchi on Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:35 am

    In the majority of cases, the old Revell models are pretty accurate but all need a lot of work. It depends on how much you want to go into detail and how much time you want to spend on a model. however, it does not hurt to check out any newly issued model with plans before taking it for granted that it is ok. Same goes for aftermarket stuff. Some people just tend to buy resin and photoetched and use it blindly. Some of the stuff is totally out and a complete waste of money. Bottom line is ALWAYS CHECK OUT THE ACCURACY.

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    Post  AdriaN on Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:50 am

    Which are the best kit makes in terms of detail and accuracy?? tamiya?

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    Post  clioguy on Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:58 am

    Alex Kontiveis wrote:Everything is a matter of how much are you gonna pay...Revell's kit..is an old but VERY CHEAP kit!!!

    According to my opinion everybody should take a good lesson from Brian Cauchi's Corsair (Revell)...How he managed to take a "nothing" and make it a REAL MASTERPIECE...





    Trumpeter..is a well Known mistaker... The most of her models are out of accuracy...I dont trust her...


    Alex.

    PS..The above are my personal opinion, and nothing to do with you. Ok?

    Hi Alex, tks for your comments. I thought the same about Trumpeter until some years back. This Wildcat was in fact one of those very WRONG models. It was so wrong that it was removed from shelves and recalled by Trumpeter, until the current version was rolled out. This newer version is much more accurate (in fact it has the same dimensions and overall shape as the Revell). It also has the newer and correct cockpit floor (with the cut-aways). So it looks like this is quite an accurate kit.

    Keep your comments coming.......

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    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:06 am

    Oh Yes...I wonder if we are gonna see an ACCURATE model from Trump...Actually Trumpeter is a great marketing player!!! They chase the "first impression" as pinnacle activity involved in the selling products of their company.

    Anyway...I wish you good luck with both of them!!!

    Keep posting mate!

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