A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  clioguy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:20 pm

    Hi all, just a small update here......

    Gave the models the Interior Green colour and managed to assemble the cockpit of the Trumpeter kit:




    Now it just needs a wash.....you know where I can get artist oils not from Valletta?

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  alexbb on Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:23 pm

    clioguy wrote:Hi all, just a small update here......

    Gave the models the Interior Green colour and managed to assemble the cockpit of the Trumpeter kit:




    Now it just needs a wash.....you know where I can get artist oils not from Valletta?


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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  clioguy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:28 pm

    alex wrote:
    graf arts san gwann
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    but closer still MTS Arts, Crafts and Haberdashery
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    Cheers Alex.... any comments on the cockpit?

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  alexbb on Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:57 pm

    clioguy wrote:
    alex wrote:
    graf arts san gwann
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    Cheers Alex.... any comments on the cockpit?


    as you said it still needs a wash and some weathering i will leave my comments for later, nothing to criticise as yet

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  Ray on Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:40 pm

    Duncan, even without the wash, and judging from the pics it looks like you did a great paint job + chipping and all.....really welldone Twisted Evil

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    Post  clioguy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:47 pm

    Ray wrote:Duncan, even without the wash, and judging from the pics it looks like you did a great paint job + chipping and all.....really welldone Twisted Evil

    Thanks Ray...

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  AdriaN on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:03 am

    SEATBELTS?? Idea

    What interior green are you using??

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  clioguy on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:31 am

    AdriaN wrote:SEATBELTS?? Idea

    What interior green are you using??

    Yeah, I know... I'm missing seatbelts at the mo... trying to do some myself......

    Interior Green is Humbrol Interior Green, don't know the number by heart

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  AdriaN on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:34 am

    clioguy wrote:
    AdriaN wrote:SEATBELTS?? Idea

    What interior green are you using??

    Yeah, I know... I'm missing seatbelts at the mo... trying to do some myself......

    Interior Green is Humbrol Interior Green, don't know the number by heart

    Ive never manged to find interior green from the model master & revell range Evil or Very Mad So as an alternative ive found the revell acrylic Fern Green is a very close match Very Happy i also have MM green zinc chromate which is often used BUT i think its too bright Sad

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    Post  Dottore on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:38 am

    Looking good Dunc...one question...is that a mould line on the thing which looks like a joystick with a red head on left hand side of pilot seat?

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  clioguy on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:41 am

    AdriaN wrote:
    clioguy wrote:
    AdriaN wrote:SEATBELTS?? Idea

    What interior green are you using??

    Yeah, I know... I'm missing seatbelts at the mo... trying to do some myself......

    Interior Green is Humbrol Interior Green, don't know the number by heart

    Ive never manged to find interior green from the model master & revell range Evil or Very Mad So as an alternative ive found the revell acrylic Fern Green is a very close match Very Happy i also have MM green zinc chromate which is often used BUT i think its too bright Sad

    I have Humbrol Interior Green (bought from K-Hobbies around a year ago, last 2 bottles). I also have Green Zinc Chromate and Yellow Zinc Chromate, but cannot remember if from Humbrol or White Model Ensign, will need to check.

    The F4F-3 had the bright green interior (ie seat and cockpit sidewalls)you are mentioning together with an all-black cockpit (instrument panel, control ecasements, etc) but the F4F-4 had just the dial panel black and the cockpit was interior green. The F4F-4 also had just lap seat belts, no shoulder straps (so that should make my work a tad easier). In fact, the gunsight had a cushion at the front so that in the case of heavy landings, the pilot's head would not get smashed. The F4F-7 had then shoulder seat belts.

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  clioguy on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:44 am

    Dottore wrote:Looking good Dunc...one question...is that a mould line on the thing which looks like a joystick with a red head on left hand side of pilot seat?

    Dottore

    Ooops, you got what I missed!! Will clean it up and touch it up..... we just found another use for the forum!

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  in nannu pec on Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:25 am

    Well done Duncan....nice job u r doing there....yes I have the same problems with Trumpeter...so innacurate and have to make so many alterations to my ships....Richelieu was atrocious....and had to make so many changes and alterations to get a decent result !!!
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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  bcauchi on Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:11 am

    Lovely work Duncan, why don;t you order some seat belts from Radu Brinzan, you will get them in less than a week and believe me they are really nice. Check them out. http://www.radubstore.com/

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    Re: A double build: Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (Trumpeter 1/32) and Grumman F4F-4/Martlet Mk. V (Revell 1/32)

    Post  clioguy on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:34 pm

    Ok, so a little update is due.....

    I gave the cockpit a wash with burnt umber oil.... this is actually my first try at washing, so fire away with your comments!







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    Post  clioguy on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:35 pm

    AdriaN wrote:
    clioguy wrote:
    AdriaN wrote:SEATBELTS?? Idea

    What interior green are you using??

    Yeah, I know... I'm missing seatbelts at the mo... trying to do some myself......

    Interior Green is Humbrol Interior Green, don't know the number by heart

    Ive never manged to find interior green from the model master & revell range Evil or Very Mad So as an alternative ive found the revell acrylic Fern Green is a very close match Very Happy i also have MM green zinc chromate which is often used BUT i think its too bright Sad

    Adrian, I checked the paint I used.... Interior green is Humbrol Interior Green 158.
    HTH

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    Post  Dottore on Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:52 pm

    you need a PIN WASH...what you have achieved so far is a FILTER.
    What I do is thicken up the wash a bit...say 9 parts thinner to 1 part raw umber....
    Then I wet small areas at a time with CLEAN thinner (if ure using enamals I suggest you seal the paint with an acrylic varnish)and by using a very fine pointed brush wet with the wash I creat false shadows around all the items to bring out the detail.
    If the paint work is gloss you can do away with wetting the area with clean thinner. The wash will flow automatically around all details and into panel lines etc..
    I think thats what ure trying to achieve...

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    Post  clioguy on Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:23 pm

    For some reason, the oil paint I have doesn't dissolve in the thinner... it stays in patches...I bought it from Sistina, it is artists' oil color, Burnt umber, and I'm using normal thinner to try and dissolve it. What am I doing wrong?

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    Post  Dottore on Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:39 pm

    Windsor and Newton (or Winton) oil colour...and Mig thinner for washes (a specialised product) but even Windsor and Newton artists white spirit will do....

    Should dissolve without problems. Make sure what you have got is not Windsor and Newton tube ACRYLIC colour!!!

    If you need any of the above I have loads...just pop by no problem. We can experiment on some washes too if you want...Up to you!

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    Post  clioguy on Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:54 pm

    Dottore wrote:Windsor and Newton (or Winton) oil colour...and Mig thinner for washes (a specialised product) but even Windsor and Newton artists white spirit will do....

    Should dissolve without problems. Make sure what you have got is not Windsor and Newton tube ACRYLIC colour!!!

    If you need any of the above I have loads...just pop by no problem. We can experiment on some washes too if you want...Up to you!

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    I bought Norma Professional Artists Oil paint from Sistina. TBH, I tried to dissolve using normal thinner, I'm going to try with White Spirit now, see what happens.....
    Filkas inkellmek!
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    Post  clioguy on Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:32 pm

    White spirit worked a charm and dissolved the oil paint beautifully. This is the result after another wash:








    What do you think now?

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    Post  AdriaN on Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:56 pm

    What do you mean by 'normal thinner'?? Question
    for oil washes i always use WS!

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    Post  Dottore on Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:59 pm

    Much better...but still there's much room for improvement Duncan...if I were you i woul get a soft wide brush dampened in white spirit now an clean up the wash a litle bit by ry brushing off the excess oil paint...don't know if youre undersanding me with this....

    Still I think a good pinwash would make this cockpit stand out a treat! As always aution when using thinners on paint make sure it doesnt lift the paint...

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    Post  bcauchi on Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:56 am

    Great work Duncan. Next time control your wash and don't apply it all over the place but where there is raised detail so that it forms a sort of shadow around it. As Doc said, you are still in time to clean up the excess but be careful, sometimes the white spirit dissolves the paint so try a bit and see what happens. If you start the see the paint come off stop and leave as it is , it is very nice and looks good already. Besides, the pit with the fuse closed up will not show that much. Great work!!

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    Post  clioguy on Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:53 pm

    Tried to clean up the excess wash with white spirit, no effect on the paint (Humbrol)....




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