Soviet Fast Tank BT-7 1935 model/1-35

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    Re: Soviet Fast Tank BT-7 1935 model/1-35

    Post  clioguy on Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:25 am

    Looks to me like they were attacked.....

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    Post  iCocker on Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:24 pm

    clioguy wrote:Looks to me like they were attacked.....
    ... you are very near, it's the Blitzkrieg on Mother Russia 1941 ... a common scene at the period!
    So what happens when you have an army under attack by a force that could not be stopped!?

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    Post  alexbb on Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:27 pm

    20 questions?
    any crew left alive?

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    Post  iCocker on Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:37 pm

    I omitted them so I leave it up to viewer to guess ... but as most of the hatches are open, and the interior is not yet looted, I guess some managed to bail out and probably have a severe headache geek

    But what lies beneath shall be main element, I told you what happens to an army under attack?

    This time the story is very , very simple ... but as I told you it's a side never portrayed by the Soviets!

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    Post  Dottore on Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:03 pm

    But I won't tell Twisted Evil

    I'll send a PM to Duncan and Alex instead cheers lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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    Post  iCocker on Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:11 pm

    Dottore wrote:But I won't tell Twisted Evil

    I'll send a PM to Duncan and Alex instead cheers lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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    FUNNY mhux ahjar tlesti dak it-tank clown lol!

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    Post  clioguy on Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:20 pm

    still waiting for the PM!!

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    Post  Ray on Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:46 pm

    Dottore wrote:But I won't tell Twisted Evil

    I'll send a PM to Duncan and Alex instead cheers lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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    U tghid mhux bhallikieku HA TAQTA X'INHI U X'HEMM U X'MHEMMX.....mhux ghax mort ghandu u rajtha x'affarijiet dawn lol!

    Mhux sewwa qalulek........mhux ahjar tkompli lol!

    Ivan keep us guessing now that you streched it this far which is NOT FAIR on your SSM Brethren to say the least eh year after year Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

    But having said that, it was a;lways worth the wait Twisted Evil

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    Re: Soviet Fast Tank BT-7 1935 model/1-35

    Post  iCocker on Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:37 pm

    Kemm qed niehu pjacir ... imma ghandi ftit ragunijiet tieghi ghaliex ma nhobbx nuri l-kontenutt fuq in-net ... check this out ...
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/message/1283937739/Then...+And+Now%21
    suppost ghandi copyright fuq l-arblu u shabi mil-Germanja fuq l-isem ... Twisted Evil

    ... niskuza ruhi biss li ma kelliex cans ingiegha il-klabb imma fl-ahhar ghandi kaxxa biex ingorra allura ta wara din ha taraw il-process ahjar, apparti sur Ray ta' wara din int u huk involuti sew ... ejja PULL!

    Insommha kif ghidtilkom din id-darba ftit surrejalista u semplici hafna [ala Fletcher Clement], ma nafx kif ha tintlaqa imma nahseb il-messagg car bizzejed ... allura wasaltu?
    Fuq kollox jien hadt pjacir naghmilha ... tongue

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    Post  Ray on Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:47 pm

    iCocker wrote:Kemm qed niehu pjacir ... imma ghandi ftit ragunijiet tieghi ghaliex ma nhobbx nuri l-kontenutt fuq in-net ... check this out ...
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/message/1283937739/Then...+And+Now%21
    suppost ghandi copyright fuq l-arblu u shabi mil-Germanja fuq l-isem ... Twisted Evil

    ... niskuza ruhi biss li ma kelliex cans ingiegha il-klabb imma fl-ahhar ghandi kaxxa biex ingorra allura ta wara din ha taraw il-process ahjar, apparti sur Ray ta' wara din int u huk involuti sew ... ejja PULL!

    Insommha kif ghidtilkom din id-darba ftit surrejalista u semplici hafna [ala Fletcher Clement], ma nafx kif ha tintlaqa imma nahseb il-messagg car bizzejed ... allura wasaltu?
    Fuq kollox jien hadt pjacir naghmilha ... tongue

    Xorta ma qed nifhem xejn re lampost's copyright and the German name Sad

    X'jien gidra lol!

    Anyway I'm trying to guess.............

    Since you said not many figures I think that it is a Soviet mass grave/concentration camp being unearthed and a sign or something to indicate that pale



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    Post  alexbb on Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:53 pm

    Ray wrote:
    iCocker wrote:Kemm qed niehu pjacir ... imma ghandi ftit ragunijiet tieghi ghaliex ma nhobbx nuri l-kontenutt fuq in-net ... check this out ...
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/message/1283937739/Then...+And+Now%21
    suppost ghandi copyright fuq l-arblu u shabi mil-Germanja fuq l-isem ... Twisted Evil

    ... niskuza ruhi biss li ma kelliex cans ingiegha il-klabb imma fl-ahhar ghandi kaxxa biex ingorra allura ta wara din ha taraw il-process ahjar, apparti sur Ray ta' wara din int u huk involuti sew ... ejja PULL!

    Insommha kif ghidtilkom din id-darba ftit surrejalista u semplici hafna [ala Fletcher Clement], ma nafx kif ha tintlaqa imma nahseb il-messagg car bizzejed ... allura wasaltu?
    Fuq kollox jien hadt pjacir naghmilha ... tongue

    Xorta ma qed nifhem xejn re lampost's copyright and the German name Sad

    X'jien gidra :lol!:

    Anyway I'm trying to guess.............

    Since you said not many figures I think that it is a Soviet mass grave/concentration camp being unearthed and a sign or something to indicate that pale



    GHADHEKK HEMM FUQ RAY
    tidher ta xi thawwad mass grave go bomb crater lol! or maybe you are right and it should be me up there but not on duty but as an inmate


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    Post  Ray on Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:10 pm

    lol! @ Alex.....I think li affigtha hux lol!

    Yep am still here in Asylium just a few meters away from you Sad

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    Post  bcauchi on Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:32 pm

    Ivan, if the tank is going to be presented as you photographed it, toppled over to one side resting on the barrel, it looks a bit artificial unless of course, you bend the barrel a bit due to the force of the occurrence, the weight of the tank, etc. etc..... Just my opinion, it looks placed there and not something that toppled over.

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    Post  iCocker on Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:37 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Ivan, if the tank is going to be presented as you photographed it, toppled over to one side resting on the barrel, it looks a bit artificial unless of course, you bend the barrel a bit due to the force of the occurrence, the weight of the tank, etc. etc..... Just my opinion, it looks placed there and not something that toppled over.

    It shows you are an engineer mate! You take note of everything mechanical and kinetic! Yep i took action on the impact mate, barrel is at an angled a bit upwards, though strange enough and I assessed this from images barrels do not bend on impact but dive into the rubble ... seems there are some laws of physics on the thickness of material?

    Infect have images of Panthers and T34 which have barrels probably as long as this tank and strange enough they do not bend ... going back on the dio, there is something else that kept the tank on that strange angle - the pole, which is going to be the fulcrum. A strange position I know, but as I told before this vignette is a bit surrealistic and the interest is going to be in the meaning and the danger surrounding the ambience ... patience my friend patience, I need to take some proper fotos as soon as every element glued and finalised!

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    Post  Noel Petroni on Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:42 pm

    I'm curious as to what you are going to present!

    Looks very interesting!!

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    Post  Noel Petroni on Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:55 pm

    I went back to look at your earlier photos and........... very nice modulation you got there!!

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    Re: Soviet Fast Tank BT-7 1935 model/1-35

    Post  bcauchi on Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:06 am

    Ivan you are right and if the ground is a bit soft, it will cushion most of the initial impact and give the barrel time to decelerate and not bend but i think that when you do something like this you have to think of the layman and if it seems that there is something not looking quite right (in the eyes of the beholder) you might loose some marks. Even regarding the pole, if your idea is that the barrel and pole stopped the rolling over motion of the tank, bear in mind the weight and momentum of the tank at the moment of turning over and at least have this effect the pole, don;t leave it straight like nothing hit it at all, at least bend it, just show some sign that something really heavy hit it. Just my opinion. sometimes you need to do things for the sake of who is scrutinizing the piece.

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    Post  iCocker on Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:13 am

    bcauchi wrote:Ivan you are right and if the ground is a bit soft, it will cushion most of the initial impact and give the barrel time to decelerate and not bend but i think that when you do something like this you have to think of the layman and if it seems that there is something not looking quite right (in the eyes of the beholder) you might loose some marks. Even regarding the pole, if your idea is that the barrel and pole stopped the rolling over motion of the tank, bear in mind the weight and momentum of the tank at the moment of turning over and at least have this effect the pole, don;t leave it straight like nothing hit it at all, at least bend it, just show some sign that something really heavy hit it. Just my opinion. sometimes you need to do things for the sake of who is scrutinizing the piece.


    Yep, mate I had already took that into consideration vis a vie the pole, I also took your advice to show the impact more and moved the whole turret to show the impact, like it moved out from the mechanism, and is almost falling off ... adding more drama and believe on the action ... x'tahseb?

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    Post  skyhigh on Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:01 pm

    I saw your tread Ivan, it looks interesting..may be these help you...










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    Post  bcauchi on Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:58 pm

    WOW Marco, those photos are very graphic and moving, the one with the burnt crewman caught up trying to escape the tank is really impressive. Looking forward to seeing more Ivan, your ideas are always so good!!

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    Post  iCocker on Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:38 pm

    Marco, the first images are the photos that inspired the position for the tank ... the others have to say they are top notch, very graphic and show the real face of war, somewhat not easy to show in a dio to keep things in a 'good' taste. One dioramists that really captures such scenes are a group of French guys [one of them that do the ship dios] and they really execute the idea brilliant ... maybe a future project!

    Then again but Marco were do you manage to get those pictures and in a good resolution ... it was a headache trying to find photos and books from the Barbarossa period?

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    Post  skyhigh on Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:56 pm

    Just surfing the internet and got this very info site.. RKKA in World War II
    rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com



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    Post  iCocker on Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:13 pm

    skyhigh wrote:Just surfing the internet and got this very info site.. RKKA in World War II
    rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com



    Great site Marco, TKS!

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    Post  matilda on Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:59 pm

    woooou, marco,take it easy, how u think to we sleep tonight after this photo????

    bbq season is finish if i am not wrong Very Happy Very Happy Suspect

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    Final Touches ...

    Post  iCocker on Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:18 pm

    ... so here is the stup. Normally the russian soldier is shown in its full glory, unleashing his rage on the oppressing Fascist enemy, but we rarely have seen the face of the army in its early encounter. Operation Barbarassa has caught Russia with her feet to the ground, the blitzgrieg operation hit them so hard that the once mighty army crumbled in days ... only distance and weather and commanders like Zukhov stopped the Germans at the gates of Moscow and brought back the glory and finally victory to the great Soviet Patriotic War.

    Last year my dio was dedicated to parental love, this year I felt to show the worst nemisis of mankind, when soldiers loose their hope from what they encounter, endure and feel - FEAR!
    Fear of death, fear of the enemy, fear of their supreme commander, fear of defeat!

    Hope you like ... as I tried to keep things as simple as possible this time ...

















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