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    Post  skyhigh on Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:38 pm

    Wow did anybody saw this Trailer ... it's fantastic...

    http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810095581/video

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    Post  J.Fenech on Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:08 pm

    Missed this one, just saw the trailer and looks great. Just a suggestion, when it is released why not plan an SSM cinema expedition to watch it Very Happy

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    Post  bcauchi on Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:54 pm

    WOW man looks cool, we definitely need to see this. I think it is a remake of Tuskegee Airman but using more modern technology. However, from the little we saw, I hope it is not going to be a lot of Hollywood fantasy and elaboration. Looked a bit exaggerated to say the least. I doubt if P51's shot down Me262's that easily in battle. It might just be another Pearl Harbor with the Germans conveniently crashing into each other and being shot down like flies.

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    Post  J.Fenech on Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:08 pm

    bcauchi wrote:WOW man looks cool, we definitely need to see this. I think it is a remake of Tuskegee Airman but using more modern technology. However, from the little we saw, I hope it is not going to be a lot of Hollywood fantasy and elaboration. Looked a bit exaggerated to say the least. I doubt if P51's shot down Me262's that easily in battle. It might just be another Pearl Harbor with the Germans conveniently crashing into each other and being shot down like flies.

    On a single mission, the 332nd Fighter Group shot down 3 confirmed Me262 in aerial combat on the 24th March 1945 earning the group a Distinguished Unit Citation, so maybe it depicts this event. The 262 was fast but not invunerable, and in the last half of march 1945, JG7 did lose a considerable number of 262 to the escorts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/332nd_FG

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    Post  skyhigh on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:02 pm

    Yes Joe as you sad so ...

    The unit received a Distinguished Unit Citation for a mission on 24 March 1945 when the group escorted B-17s during a raid on the Daimler-Benz tank factory at Berlin, fought the Messerschmitt Me 262 jet interceptors that attacked the formation, and strafed transportation facilities while flying back to the base in Italy. During the action, its pilots were credited with destroying three Me 262s of the Luftwaffe's all-jet Jagdgeschwader 7 in aerial combat that day, despite the American unit initially claiming 11 Me 262s on that particular mission.[5] Upon examination of German records, JG 7 records, just four Me 262s were lost and all of the pilots survived.[5] In return, the 463rd Bomb Group, one of the many B-17 groups the 332d were escorting, lost two bombers, and the 332nd lost three P-51s during the mission.


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    Post  bcauchi on Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:11 am

    Sorry guys, did not know that. It is good news, i hate having to see something which is over sensationalized. I know that most Me262 losses were incurred during takeoffs and landings and not that many in combat. But i did not know about this articular action. That is probably the one shown in the film.

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    Post  J.Fenech on Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:15 am

    bcauchi wrote:Sorry guys, did not know that. It is good news, i hate having to see something which is over sensationalized. I know that most Me262 losses were incurred during takeoffs and landings and not that many in combat. But i did not know about this articular action. That is probably the one shown in the film.

    And they did actually sink a destroyer, by machine gun fire from a P-47

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    Post  Ray on Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:48 pm

    Hrmmmmmm looks TASTEY & REAL ENOUGH to me I love you cheers

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    Post  iCocker on Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:49 pm

    Looks good but very hollywoodian as usual to my eyes, the CGI looks the part, computer generated images, looks more like we are seeing a Playstation game more then actual combat with all the fighters moving as fast as jets ... imma insomma it's not a documentary but a film to entertain, so if this one hits our theatres I agree we should team up, maybe it's gonna be 3D! It's LucasFilm so I guess it might be ...

    As for the war records from the US Dept, if they were the same as their land ventures I always doubt what they say, I agree with Brian for a prop aircraft I find it hard that it will KO a jet in aerial combat, especially if in the hands of veterans ... probably most were the usual urban myths the same of how many tanks they knocked on land, as to the Americans all panzers were the infamous Tiger tank ... when you see their kills normally they exceeded the amount of Tigers confronted in that battle ... probably the same might have happened up there, but as JFenech said still the mythical 262 still could be knocked out someway or another ... one day someone might come and say they KO out a 262 from land with his Tommy gun ... lol!

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    Post  bcauchi on Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:24 am

    That would do nicely in 3D.

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    Post  iCocker on Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:37 am

    bcauchi wrote:Sorry guys, did not know that. It is good news, i hate having to see something which is over sensationalized. I know that most Me262 losses were incurred during takeoffs and landings and not that many in combat. But i did not know about this articular action. That is probably the one shown in the film.

    Taking away the credits of how many 262s were KO which as usual might be overesteemated ... we have to say that it took 70+ years for Hollywood to credit an all black unit. We have to remember that coloured people and red indians were still regarded as 2nd class to the US Army and still they fought with great honour! Case in point are the Red Ball Express who were treathed as a reserve sub-unit but still were the key-logistic to supply the overstretched allied line from Normandy to central Europe and the Black Panthers the only all black tank unit ...

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    Post  bcauchi on Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:53 am

    Maybe not that long Ivan, this is a remake of the movie 'The Tuskeegee Airmen' which was produced in 1995. It starred amonst others Laurence Fishburn and Cuba Gooding Junior. From the trailer of Red Tails, it seems that this is possibly a remake but using today's technology for the aerial combat scenes which i must admit look great. The only weird thing here is that they produced two films about the same squadron when there were so many other great units like the famous 4th fighter group which destroyed 1000 enemy aircraft + and no movie has ever been done about them. The most famous US aces and commanders were part of this fighter group.

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    Post  Wayne on Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:00 pm

    I might be wrong but the markings/camo on those B17's doesn't look right to me. Didn't all late war fortresses have a metal finish? Again I stand to be corrected.


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    Post  skyhigh on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:05 pm

    No wayne they were mixed.....sometimes an aircraft had green and metal parts replaced from other damaged aircraft....

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    Post  Wayne on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:31 pm

    I stand corrected. Better go revise my history :p


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