HE 219 1/32

bcauchi wrote:Mela bil-leave illum Marco,ara qed niccajta ta'. Don;t think that i got offended but i don't agree with you, if painted nicely and weathered correctly, it can be a really nice model. A beautiful compromise can be one with the underside and part of the fuselage in black and the normal nightfighter 75/76 mottled uppersurface like the one Chris had built in 48th scale.

Eh hekk ok ..that will be nice half in black...

Chris about the greens , this is all I found till now , But will search more..

Mhux biex nindahal imma:

1. There was only 1 all black 219 and it was the second prototype.

2. Re green camo, I would be careful about this as the 219 was specifically designed as a night fighter and I think that all the dark mottle or weave is strictly 75, 66(dark grey) or 22(black) over 76 or one of its derivatives (84). I have never come across a scheme which could remotely be interpreted as having green on a 219.

As always I stand to be corrected.

Marco, that colour photo is very suspect and I have difficulty in believing it is authentic. Pity, because it would make a nice scheme.

Here, here "and if I build one I will not choose a black one no... "

Obviously Marco, yours would be transparent as we shall never see it

Joking apart

I do not agree with you that black is an drap scheme, depends how you do it, for me an all white or a black scheme is a nightmare to make it realistic and weathering is a headache, Brian has masterfully done his 110 ... but historically seems we are restricted to just one scheme without radars, so might not be interesting for some, on the other hand seeing it displayed besides the other 'stereo' type schemes; as in my eyes all look the same I think a black one should stand out from the herd ...but that is me as I like things different!

But then we should not interfere in the choices of one's model hux ...

iCocker wrote:
I do not agree with you that black is an drap scheme,
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I simply adore a black scheme and this is in fact one of the schemes I have planned when I start building my dozen 219's. It is a little drab but it has a large call sign and it tends to make the aircraft look differently from the lighter coloured versions.

It is after all a matter of taste. Din mhux bhal tat-tatoos...?

Aldo wrote:Marco, that colour photo is very suspect and I have difficulty in believing it is authentic. Pity, because it would make a nice scheme.

Aldo which photo you are talking about ..because the last two are 1/48 model..ta

Aldo wrote:Mhux biex nindahal imma:

1. There was only 1 all black 219 and it was the second prototype.

2. Re green camo, I would be careful about this as the 219 was specifically designed as a night fighter and I think that all the dark mottle or weave is strictly 75, 66(dark grey) or 22(black) over 76 or one of its derivatives (84). I have never come across a scheme which could remotely be interpreted as having green on a 219.

As always I stand to be corrected.

Aldo I think you are talking only about the He219 uhx..

because NF Ju88 do use to experement with greens ..






Photos and drawings from Classic pub...

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Aldo which photo you are talking about ..because the last two are 1/48 model..ta[/quote]

Il-ost, actually thought it was a 'coloured' black and white photo of a real aircraft as the background is blanked out.

Yes I am only referring to the 219! The 88 was a totally different story and many nightfighters were in green. I made a G conversion myself in heavy 82/83 mottle. We must remember there were very few 219's and practically all can be accounted for. It is possible that some of the ones left in Czechoslovakia could have received additional paint in green but so far there is little evidence of this.

I have a different opinion about the extra weave and mottle on the captioned aircraft. It is probably black paint over 75 rather than 81 and 83 but as I said I would just love it if someone could prove me wrong as a green 219 would be refreshingly different.

Gentlemen

We are speaking of late 1944/45 paint, giving the situation probably the groundcrew will be using what ever comes in hand no standarisation especially if applied in the field. For instance we now that during 1945 the production of heavy tanks changed primer from red to green due to shortage of paint. Infact it was common to send them to fight the ruskies in their primer with some dark yellow applied on ... I guess was the same situation to aircraft if not worst!

Who really knows, probably what interested them is to have it flying not what code of dark colour the squiggles will be ... remember with the allied dominating the sky probably these pilots had their days counted ...

Loving this thread... I didn't know I would be creating all this discussion.

Although I really like the idea of a completely black 219, given that the only one known was a prototype it would probabbly involve too much conversion work which I don't think i'm ready for. Besides a 219 without a radar looks rather naked.

Having said that I will definitely consider the one with the black lower surfaces. We'll see. Whats certain is that I don't want to screw this up so it will have to wait till I'm more confident.

Keep the comments and research coming...

Aldo wrote:

Aldo which photo you are talking about ..because the last two are 1/48 model..ta[/quote]

Il-ost, actually thought it was a 'coloured' black and white photo of a real aircraft as the background is blanked out.

Yes I am only referring to the 219! The 88 was a totally different story and many nightfighters were in green. I made a G conversion myself in heavy 82/83 mottle. We must remember there were very few 219's and practically all can be accounted for. It is possible that some of the ones left in Czechoslovakia could have received additional paint in green but so far there is little evidence of this.

I have a different opinion about the extra weave and mottle on the captioned aircraft. It is probably black paint over 75 rather than 81 and 83 but as I said I would just love it if someone could prove me wrong as a green 219 would be refreshingly different.[/quote]



Yes Aldo I agree with you , about the few He219 but I don't now... for me Black it's a bit heavy ... but just keep in mind that all late war aircraft availble , nearly all were hidden in the forrest.... so it make some sence to paste some green for ground camouflage..

Chris found one more clear photo of the same aircraft codes....

and Aldo compare the black insignias..it does not look black the scrible...



Photo from Kagero pub....

And the saga continue...Chris found some more closeups but I don't now from the phtos it does look two different aircraft ..and even Kagero are mixing up because some captions say A.O and other A.2....




















Infact this is the true 1L.M? so or it is a diferent aircraft or two diferent code signs

Marco these photos are too painful. I can't stand seeing these beautiful aircraft all broken up. What a shame!!

bcauchi wrote:Marco these photos are too painful. I can't stand seeing these beautiful aircraft all broken up. What a shame!!

Yes Brian nearly all german aircraft ended like this , at the end of the war..

But considering what war brings Hate , agression and pain in those ending momments ...victims of war....but at least we have one under restoration and whoever is working on it realy coming beautifull job..

this kit is still in its protective bags and in here we have already reAched the third page!! what an awesome thread!!! thanks marco for the photos. personally i don't like it in an overall black. i built it in 1/48 scale with its underside in black and to be honest i didn't like it that much... but i will surely love it with a green squiggle!! AIRES... THROW ME SOME RESIN PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

in nannu pec wrote:Have something for u Wayne The Luftwaffe Profile series No3 HE219 UHU by Joachim Dressel and Manfred Griehl....was going to do a 1/72 scale model...years back...Happy Birthday



hope it helps you out
In nannu

i have this book both in hard copy and also in a pdf version.

skyhigh wrote:

bcauchi wrote:Marco these photos are too painful. I can't stand seeing these beautiful aircraft all broken up. What a shame!!

Yes Brian nearly all german aircraft ended like this , at the end of the war..

But considering what war brings Hate , agression and pain in those ending momments ...victims of war....but at least we have one under restoration and whoever is working on it realy coming beautifull job..

I love this scheme!

wayne decide what you want ..underside black or grey because there were both with that squiggle....

Proximo41 wrote:this kit is still in its protective bags and in here we have already reAched the third page!! what an awesome thread!!! thanks marco for the photos. personally i don't like it in an overall black. i built it in 1/48 scale with its underside in black and to be honest i didn't like it that much... but i will surely love it with a green squiggle!! AIRES... THROW ME SOME RESIN PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

check this out Chris Eduard already mention some

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?manufacturer_id=&product_type_id=&scale_id=&keyword_search=heinkel+he+219&setPerPage=50&currency_id=

http://www.eagle-editions.com/eagleparts/all-available-radu-brinzan-photo-etch/he-219-radiator-cowl-gills-detail.html


http://www.eagle-editions.com/eagleparts/all-available-radu-brinzan-photo-etch/he-219-radiator-cowl-gills-detail.html

Consider yourself ultra super lucky guys, when i built mine, there were only a couple of very thin books, more like panphlets and some in german. Of course i bought them all but still, very limited detail. Then, the Tamiya kit in 48 was issued and with it came a ton of resin, many of it totally inaccurate and hopeless. Remember Chris, you had lent me the kit and the resin for reference and we had found out that most of it was inaccurate (the resin). Now, there are a multitude of books and details. Come on guys, start building, who knows we might have 3 of these birds next expo. I had vowed not to take mine out of the house again but i might just fix the aerials and make an exception. I think we should have a Luftwaffe expo next time. We have enough to fill a number of tables, of course to Marco's delight!!

Brian, most of the aircraft we see broken up and with allied personel posing near them are not always victoms of allied fighters/bombers. Many high tech aircraft were deliberetly destroyed by German personal before they retreated, the policy was not to leave anything to the conquerer ... unfortunetly that is another sad part for us who would like to find the real things again but when a war situation is present proprities rule the day ...

I know Ivan but it is still a great pity. I hate seeing these beautiful aircraft in such a pitiful state.

have a look at this guys...

http://dqscaleworks.blogspot.com.es/search/label/Aircrafts
in nannu