Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

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    Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  iCocker on Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:04 pm

    Ok I have sinned I made a Sherman but could not resist upgrading him ... so I am fond of MiddleEast conflicts I found this conversion made by the Egyptians in 1956 to challenge the Israeli, designed by the French with just upgrading the gun with an Fl10 one of 75mm autolauder, inspired by the 75mm used by the German Panther in WW2. This turret was the forerunner of the AMX13 french tank.

    Trust the French, they were also upgrading the Israeli shermans to the mytical M50 tank with the same gun but retaining the sherman turret ... but that shall be another story!

    This is a simple conversion by backdating the Heller AMX turret and kitbashing to create an M4A4 hull with diesel engine. Also some basic plastic card upgrades like the back sand shield, panels etc . This model is based on the one at Latrum in Israel. As you might guess under the Arab hands this tank prooved to be of no match to the IDF tank warefare and many fell victoms in the Suez Canal crisis ...

    Painted in acrylics and weathered with Mig pigments, filters etc. The Fl10 were almost brand new when they challenged the IDF, so minor weathering here ...

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  J.Fenech on Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:08 pm

    nice, and something different to the standard shermans

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  Noel Petroni on Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:14 pm

    Ugly looking but interesting!

    Do you plan to take this up with you to Euro?

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  skyhigh on Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:16 pm

    il lahwa man xi stamina ghankhom ta gen... cheers

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  iCocker on Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:01 pm

    Not sure yet if this one shall come over to Euro but maybe ... Marco, the adrealine is high but this model took over 3 years to be done, as research was quite basic but then from here and there managed together as much info as possible and also some quite rare images. This is the pre painted model, infect it is a mix of different models and materials apart some updates with plastic card and wire.





    The Diesel engine conversion and sand shield done by the Egyptians



    When it almost done and first coat received someone send me images of a derelict in the Suez and guess what found out that the mantlet was out of proportion so could not live with the sin and had to re-do ...


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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  alexbb on Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:19 pm

    mela flahhar irnexxieli narah
    xorta wahda mhux sherman, 50% biss il kumplament amx13
    now in english
    a stange but nonetheless intersting version of the sherman (to keep the doc happy)
    great work ivan

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  iCocker on Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:24 pm

    Always better than a basic Sherman, in it's ugliness and crudness it is still a pretty ugly duckling affraid

    Not AMX ... Fl10 turret, the forerunner of the AMX turret!

    Ta min intelluh forsi naqla polemika il-Euro x'tahseb ... heq mhux conversion ghandu jghaddi! pig

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  alexbb on Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:28 pm

    sorry for the mistake it should be amxfl10 with autoloader (amx being the name of the factory atelier something something) FL11 WITHOUT AUTOLOADER

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  iCocker on Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:35 pm

    Ha ha ... the expert is talking now! study

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:08 pm

    Ivan...

    Can you send me the pics and a small commentary text (10 lines or more) to publish your article on HELMO homepage...

    please! That's a great build!

    PS...Whoever wants to submit an article on HELMO website, is welcome.
    10 to 30 pictures, and a commentary text. Send your stuff at:

    rizes@les.forthnet.gr

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    Post  Dottore on Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:12 pm

    A sherman from an infidel :-) May you get seriously infected with the sherman bug! cheers

    Joking apart...I would take it and place it in class 13...they wont realise its a conversion and in the scratch section amongst complete scratched beasts it will rightly suffer...

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  alexbb on Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:19 pm

    din botta ghalija man

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  Ray on Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:00 pm

    Without causing an uproar here What a Face I think you should take it up with you to Euro and start the uproar over there Ivan what do you think Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad ?

    BTW, very nice model indeed Laughing

    Ray affraid

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  iCocker on Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:42 am

    Thanks guys ...

    Alex el Grego will prepare a short writeup ASAP ...

    Regarding the section, minor or complex - it is a conversion, Matthew I do not think it is so unnoticibale and looks different from a typical Ronson! I already tested it in Girona in painters class and noticed that it should have been in conversion class, that is called competition experince, and while you were trying to find the lost fender I was scrutinising the situation Rolling Eyes

    On another note Section 14 is for scartch and conversion, I know this tank is not to battle medals but I would like to stress a point that YES simple conversions and kitbashing should be included in that section, no matter what the judges think. It already happened to the AFVs topbrass and they let it go ... !

    Then it's up to the organisers if they like it there or not ...

    Ivan

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    Re: Egyptian Sherman M4/Fl10

    Post  alexbb on Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:43 pm

    ivan as you know only too well, you will be unfairly penalized on the otherhand if you put them in class 13 as you rightly said the conversion will not go unnoticed you are in an unenviable position my friend youre between the anvil and the hammer
    but then again it would be a pity not to enter this model in any class

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