The Retreats - Russia 1943-44

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    The Retreats - Russia 1943-44

    Post  Noel Petroni on Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:43 pm

    My finished diorama...........



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    Great tank....

    Post  Dottore on Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:55 pm

    Think the tank is one of your best pieces to date....

    BUT...I think it looks out of place in this wintry setting. There is dust (pigments) at the rear which i feel shouldnt be in the winter.
    IMHO it just doesnt look like it fits the otherwise very nice scene.
    Also I imagine you did ur research so I assume the tank should be that colour and not whitewash?!

    I've seen detail shots of the tank and I really like the work u did on it especially the interior...my comments are directed towards the setting...

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    Re: The Retreats - Russia 1943-44

    Post  Noel Petroni on Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:57 am

    Thanks for looking!

    However, I don't agree with you on the pigments. To me they look like dried mud which would be appropriate in wet conditions. This is not in the middle of the melting season but the start of the first snowfalls.

    THe scene is of an army group retreating from an encircled pocket, so white wash material would not be available. Also many vehicles were not white washed immediately and it's common to see this sort of thing.

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    Re: The Retreats - Russia 1943-44

    Post  Tancred on Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:10 pm

    Hi Noel, nice diorama, although I also think the Wespe needs to be 'blended' in more, something like this:



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    Re: The Retreats - Russia 1943-44

    Post  iCocker on Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:17 pm

    Sweet dio Noel, but have to agree with the above, somehow tough very nicely weathered Wespe, I feel it does not tie in the setting. I think it needs some snow particles in the track and top chassis area. Apart mud looks too dry for a winter setting, no indication of fresh mud which would be darker and glossier. I think if you just add these updates the dio would look tied up in the setting, no need to overdue as you intend to depict a reserve machine fresh in action,holding the line but it needs a touch of the elements.

    Regarding the figures, I would have put the MG42 ready on bipod with a good number of roundboxes and the gunners having a deserved hot break. Personally those group gives me a feeling that their mission are there to defend the retreating line. But this is just an idea ...

    A good paint job on the figs as well, Noel! PROSIT


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    Re: The Retreats - Russia 1943-44

    Post  slingshot392 on Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:42 pm

    I agree with the others, the diorama looks great, but the tank just looks out of place. It's to clean for winter. I'm not sure where the diorama is supposed to take place, or when? Some areas don't get a lot of snow, other places like here in Minnesota we can get dumped on some years (actually most years), but there are some years we don't get much, or, some years it is just so cold that the snow is really dry and you will see ground cover if there is nothing to stop the wind.

    If it's early or late winter, it will freeze and thaw often, ground that isn't covered with snow will look wet, either because it is, or it is frozen. Dirt will have a wet look to it, even when frozen, there will usually be little bits of snow in the crevices. Vehicles will be a mess, the entire sides of cars will be covered in a dirty spray thrown up by the wheels, it will also catch in the back of the wheel wells and there will be really large chunks that you end up having to kick off.

    A lot of the mud would be in the tracks and in the wheels, even if it thawed. If you are portraying it thawed, there would be some areas of standing water in the mud, even little bits in the footprints. The soldiers boots would be caked in mud and since they're living out in the fields, their clothes would have some as well. If it has frozen again, any of the standing water would be frozen, you could put a light flat finish on any of the water and then sprinkle a little snow on top of it.

    It's a great diorama, I only hope I can do half as well.


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    Re: The Retreats - Russia 1943-44

    Post  bcauchi on Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:32 pm

    Lovely scene Noel, i love your work but throw some snow on that tank. The figures are so real and i love the way in which you managed to simulate the smoke from the fire in the oil drum. Great stuff man!!

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    Re: The Retreats - Russia 1943-44

    Post  Ray on Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:43 am

    WOW what a great dio Noel....Weldone cheers

    Don't touch anything PLEASE.......I really can't believe the others CAN'T see what is the story or are telling you to put snow on the Wespe Evil or Very Mad Sad

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