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iCocker Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:43 am

Is the cockpit interior made of the same material, the seat, the floor the instruimental panel, are those the same metal or iron? Is the same principal for all aircraft construction or just German [obviously where metal is involved, I know wood was used for other aircrafts?].

Another question was the metal primed before the scheme or interior colour is applied?

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skyhigh Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:37 am

iCocker wrote:Is the cockpit interior made of the same material, the seat, the floor the instruimental panel, are those the same metal or iron? Is the same principal for all aircraft construction or just German [obviously where metal is involved, I know wood was used for other aircrafts?].

Another question was the metal primed before the scheme or interior colour is applied?

Ivan

A)...As you can see in my opinion they are the same material..

B)...From the info I read Germany had lack of aluminium, so there were more metal parts involved.. but of course they used some aluminium and for shure wood ....exp late Bf109 had wooden tails ...

C)...The early prod aircraft were primed with RLM 00 and then RLM 02 or RLM 66 depend the period ...but after 1943 most of the aircaft interiors were left unpainted......

RLM Var Term Application
00 Water pale protection coat
01 Silver undercarriage, coats Fs No...17178 17178 9006
02 RLM-grey interior, camo, prototypes Fs No...34159 36165 7003

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And this is the RLM 00.., as you can see after all these years , the protection coat was very good.... cheers

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skyhigh Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:23 pm

Joseph wrote:Yes because aluminium is a metal

Definition of metal - A chemical element, such as iron, copper, aluminium that reflects light and can be shaped, forms positive ions, and is a good conductor of heat and electricity or, an alloy, such as brass or steel, containing one or more of these elements

Ok may be your right or may be your wrong .....because from my knowledge.. Exclamation

Rusted Iron will get redish...

And corrosive aluminium will get powder white ... scratch

Metal panels.. scratch

Aluminium tank.... scratch

Joseph Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:14 am

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Joseph Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:14 am

Marco

please continue Embarassed

on your well executed and professional photo research as all this metal thing is going to start oxidising your mental channels which will result in a corroded (rusted) mind Smile

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From photos provided it is evident that for the cockpit, the frame (although it seems that there are some ribs made of another type of metal), skinning, seat and instrument panel are aluminium. Also there are some fixtures and fittings made out of iron or other metal that has corroded and turned reddish brown.

My question is what is that red colour showing off beneath the RLM66? Is it a primer applied during the war or some chemical liquid applied during restoration? So if I want to make a heavily weathered BF109F (I think not our case) I need to apply that reddish primer beneath the RLM66?

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iCocker Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:23 am

Interesting question Joe, German used Red primer for tanks during WW2, but during construction it was a custom that welded areas prior primer were dubbed [with brush] with a cream paint. Could be something similar?

My question for what metals were used is if things are scratched what paint, metal is shown below? Standard is we do Aluminium, but looks other metals are used apart that aluminium is not straight glossy metal, look at those dull areas which are quite interesting ... the rusty patina I thing it is too much for a plane in action though ... but cockpit floors might be interesting to develop as surely this will be highly weathered ...

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skyhigh Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:05 pm

Joseph wrote:Marco please continue on your well executed and professional photo research as all this metal thing is going to start oxidising your mental channels which will result in a corroded (rusted) mind .

From photos provided it is evident that for the cockpit, the frame (although it seems that there are some ribs made of another type of metal), skinning, seat and instrument panel are aluminium. Also there are some fixtures and fittings made out of iron or other metal that has corroded and turned reddish brown.

My question is what is that red colour showing off beneath the RLM66? Is it a primer applied during the war or some chemical liquid applied during restoration? So if I want to make a heavily weathered BF109F (I think not our case) I need to apply that reddish primer beneath the RLM66?

Ok then..

No Joe that red have nothing to do with german war time colours ....some places looks like chemical liquid applied during restoration or overspray of the red primer used during restoration...

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Ray Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:29 pm

Joseph wrote:Marco please continue on your well executed and professional photo research as all this metal thing is going to start oxidising your mental channels which will result in a corroded (rusted) mind .

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