HE 219 1/32

Have something for u Wayne The Luftwaffe Profile series No3 HE219 UHU by Joachim Dressel and Manfred Griehl....was going to do a 1/72 scale model...years back...Happy Birthday



hope it helps you out
In nannu

Neve seen photos of black 219's.

PS....You can share it with Chris...since is sur banana is going to build one as well
In Nannu

in nannu pec wrote:PS....You can share it with Chris...since is sur banana is going to build one as well
In Nannu

Will do! Thank-you Louis... much appreciated

Come on guys, do not leave that beast in the box, would be a gem on the show table, and please make different schemes, would be awesome to see now 3 variations ... an all black version would look interesting!

Read somewhere that this model was penalised by nuts that it has wrong blades, not sure about those but on other terms it is also high marks of excellency on many things aswell ...

Ivan

bcauchi wrote:Neve seen photos of black 219's.

But for 1/32 it will to drabe...

Then you are saying that my Me110 is drab Marco because it is all black!!!! Just want you guys to know that i did not even use black in the paint scheme and it was a total blast to do. It is a challenge but the results were worth it. You should do as i did with the 110's and build two of them, a black one and one with a lighter colour scheme.

bcauchi wrote:Then you are saying that my Me110 is drab Marco because it is all black!!!! Just want you guys to know that i did not even use black in the paint scheme and it was a total blast to do. It is a challenge but the results were worth it. You should do as i did with the 110's and build two of them, a black one and one with a lighter colour scheme.

No no... Brian we are talking about the He219 and not the Me110, the Me110 scheme is something else, there were more than one aircraft with that scheme and even I told you to build a Ju88 in black ...But for a He219 no ..and there is more interesting schemes, and if I build one I will not choose a black one no...

Mela bil-leave illum Marco,ara qed niccajta ta'. Don;t think that i got offended but i don't agree with you, if painted nicely and weathered correctly, it can be a really nice model. A beautiful compromise can be one with the underside and part of the fuselage in black and the normal nightfighter 75/76 mottled uppersurface like the one Chris had built in 48th scale.

Le ma niflahx blajt rih papali..nispera li nkun tajjeb ghal ghada ..ghax ma niflahx hafna......

bcauchi wrote:Mela bil-leave illum Marco,ara qed niccajta ta'. Don;t think that i got offended but i don't agree with you, if painted nicely and weathered correctly, it can be a really nice model. A beautiful compromise can be one with the underside and part of the fuselage in black and the normal nightfighter 75/76 mottled uppersurface like the one Chris had built in 48th scale.

Eh hekk ok ..that will be nice half in black...

Chris about the greens , this is all I found till now , But will search more..

Mhux biex nindahal imma:

1. There was only 1 all black 219 and it was the second prototype.

2. Re green camo, I would be careful about this as the 219 was specifically designed as a night fighter and I think that all the dark mottle or weave is strictly 75, 66(dark grey) or 22(black) over 76 or one of its derivatives (84). I have never come across a scheme which could remotely be interpreted as having green on a 219.

As always I stand to be corrected.

Marco, that colour photo is very suspect and I have difficulty in believing it is authentic. Pity, because it would make a nice scheme.

Here, here "and if I build one I will not choose a black one no... "

Obviously Marco, yours would be transparent as we shall never see it

Joking apart

I do not agree with you that black is an drap scheme, depends how you do it, for me an all white or a black scheme is a nightmare to make it realistic and weathering is a headache, Brian has masterfully done his 110 ... but historically seems we are restricted to just one scheme without radars, so might not be interesting for some, on the other hand seeing it displayed besides the other 'stereo' type schemes; as in my eyes all look the same I think a black one should stand out from the herd ...but that is me as I like things different!

But then we should not interfere in the choices of one's model hux ...

iCocker wrote:
I do not agree with you that black is an drap scheme,
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I simply adore a black scheme and this is in fact one of the schemes I have planned when I start building my dozen 219's. It is a little drab but it has a large call sign and it tends to make the aircraft look differently from the lighter coloured versions.

It is after all a matter of taste. Din mhux bhal tat-tatoos...?

Aldo wrote:Marco, that colour photo is very suspect and I have difficulty in believing it is authentic. Pity, because it would make a nice scheme.

Aldo which photo you are talking about ..because the last two are 1/48 model..ta

Aldo wrote:Mhux biex nindahal imma:

1. There was only 1 all black 219 and it was the second prototype.

2. Re green camo, I would be careful about this as the 219 was specifically designed as a night fighter and I think that all the dark mottle or weave is strictly 75, 66(dark grey) or 22(black) over 76 or one of its derivatives (84). I have never come across a scheme which could remotely be interpreted as having green on a 219.

As always I stand to be corrected.

Aldo I think you are talking only about the He219 uhx..

because NF Ju88 do use to experement with greens ..






Photos and drawings from Classic pub...

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Aldo which photo you are talking about ..because the last two are 1/48 model..ta[/quote]

Il-ost, actually thought it was a 'coloured' black and white photo of a real aircraft as the background is blanked out.

Yes I am only referring to the 219! The 88 was a totally different story and many nightfighters were in green. I made a G conversion myself in heavy 82/83 mottle. We must remember there were very few 219's and practically all can be accounted for. It is possible that some of the ones left in Czechoslovakia could have received additional paint in green but so far there is little evidence of this.

I have a different opinion about the extra weave and mottle on the captioned aircraft. It is probably black paint over 75 rather than 81 and 83 but as I said I would just love it if someone could prove me wrong as a green 219 would be refreshingly different.

Gentlemen

We are speaking of late 1944/45 paint, giving the situation probably the groundcrew will be using what ever comes in hand no standarisation especially if applied in the field. For instance we now that during 1945 the production of heavy tanks changed primer from red to green due to shortage of paint. Infact it was common to send them to fight the ruskies in their primer with some dark yellow applied on ... I guess was the same situation to aircraft if not worst!

Who really knows, probably what interested them is to have it flying not what code of dark colour the squiggles will be ... remember with the allied dominating the sky probably these pilots had their days counted ...

Loving this thread... I didn't know I would be creating all this discussion.

Although I really like the idea of a completely black 219, given that the only one known was a prototype it would probabbly involve too much conversion work which I don't think i'm ready for. Besides a 219 without a radar looks rather naked.

Having said that I will definitely consider the one with the black lower surfaces. We'll see. Whats certain is that I don't want to screw this up so it will have to wait till I'm more confident.

Keep the comments and research coming...

Aldo wrote:

Aldo which photo you are talking about ..because the last two are 1/48 model..ta[/quote]

Il-ost, actually thought it was a 'coloured' black and white photo of a real aircraft as the background is blanked out.

Yes I am only referring to the 219! The 88 was a totally different story and many nightfighters were in green. I made a G conversion myself in heavy 82/83 mottle. We must remember there were very few 219's and practically all can be accounted for. It is possible that some of the ones left in Czechoslovakia could have received additional paint in green but so far there is little evidence of this.

I have a different opinion about the extra weave and mottle on the captioned aircraft. It is probably black paint over 75 rather than 81 and 83 but as I said I would just love it if someone could prove me wrong as a green 219 would be refreshingly different.[/quote]



Yes Aldo I agree with you , about the few He219 but I don't now... for me Black it's a bit heavy ... but just keep in mind that all late war aircraft availble , nearly all were hidden in the forrest.... so it make some sence to paste some green for ground camouflage..

Chris found one more clear photo of the same aircraft codes....

and Aldo compare the black insignias..it does not look black the scrible...



Photo from Kagero pub....

And the saga continue...Chris found some more closeups but I don't now from the phtos it does look two different aircraft ..and even Kagero are mixing up because some captions say A.O and other A.2....




















Infact this is the true 1L.M? so or it is a diferent aircraft or two diferent code signs

Marco these photos are too painful. I can't stand seeing these beautiful aircraft all broken up. What a shame!!