Joint dioramas

I guess the most incorporated theme in the dio of a TYPICAL Maltese set up would be the 'HOFRA' [pithole] it looks that it has been around so long and we still love to use this word for all difficulties we encounter ... so might we update the name of the dio to IL-HOFRA!

skyhigh wrote:Mela hadu ghandu id dar , xsar minnu il mudel kien f stat avanzat...

Marco NISKUZA RUHI U NOHROG ILSIENI KOLLU BARRA U NILGHAQ KOLLOX MINN MA L-ART Huricane MKI Battle of Britain kien gej

Ray

Till now I have stayed silent

As I am the one that will be building the Hurricane, I want to make a IIC as IMO it has a more aggresive look and would look better on the dio. JF has a 1/48 MKIIC, 242sqd, tropical scheme and 1941, (check it out on hyperscae), is this OK ?, if not I want something one those lines.

Marco,

Please check what has to be done on the old IIC that Revell used to make to bring it up to today's standards.
You were right about the MKI, it was at Dad's showcase but I brought it at home, infact I just washed it to remove all the grime that it had collected, no way that I am going to use it as the diorama model! it is a MKI and too basic.
Still we can utilise it to set up the dio, next Wed I bring it over to club to check dimensions

As soon as I have the relevant info available I will start purchasing things

J

Well Joe this is the model of the Hurri.. MkIIc our great modeller FJ have made...1/48
The model represents a Hurricane mk IIc of No.242 sqn. Royal Airforce, Malta 1941

Now the models use to find only from Revell in 1/32 are this if we find but Revell have the MK1 in the new release I tryu to find what you can find in the aftermarket for the convertion

These resin parts use to produce from MDC if its still available

Im not sure they manufacture those anymore


Wil

Yes I think so.. Will tell your father this is the only MkIIc photo I find in Malta with codes and serial visible , most probably still wear old camof of Dark green, Dark earth and sky...

Do you mean that FJ sprayed the wrong scheme ?

Ray

I cannont say yet, because they arrive here in Malta as they are from were they came , so I cannont jugde till I have a photo..

This is the colour scheme as R.caruana but the colours are wrong in the photo they look more darker, if they were desert they should look more lighter...now if you look at the photo look how lighter are the desert colours..

This is more clear to show the desert colours, if you see the tail next to the aircraft is still in old europe colours..

Guys before we continue the evergoing debacle of what scheme was painted in and as always it shall be speculations can we decide how a plane is pulled, I would guess they were the odd group as we do in our expo that would push from behind the wings, from what is stated in Lloyd's diary it is clear also ropes were used to pull out of the mud but how is an aircraft tied up to avoid damage in pulling especially if utilising a tracked AFV for the pull + men? I am not sure if the ropes would be tied to the undercarriage, would they tie up from the fuselage or the wings?

I guess to enphasise more the idea the aircraft should have at least one of the wheels drowned in mud, might also have the aircraft tillted to enphasise the idea of a 'whole' more and all the groundcrew, maltese gang workers and might also incorporate POW working to pull out with the aid of an AFV and maybe the pilot outside the cockpit overseeing the operation. X'tahsbu?

Ivan

Marco nahseb li qed TAHLI l-hin TFITTEX u TIDDIBATTI fuq il-colour scheme u TIPPROVA TARA BLACK & WHITE pic BIL-KULURI TA' MOHHOK

Fuq il-vetrina naqlghalek il-kappell imma fuq din nerga ntennilek li qed tahli hin prezzjuz minn hajtek, ghax jien mhux ha niehu sehem fiha jekk il-Hurricane MKIIC mhux ha jkun bhal ta FJ!!!!! No more No less Daqt TISPICCA d-dinja siehbi, mela ejja dak li ghandna nirhanu nirahnuh x'tahseb ?

Ivan great point re how u x'fatta it should be pulled etc etc. How about depicting a POLEMIKA between the ground crew, pilot and the Maltese Contractor while trying to tow the DESERT SCHEME Hurricane MKIIC ????????????

Ray

ara jien ukoll ,le hi jien ma kontx ghed niprova nikonvincik bla ebda mod, ma nafx li int ma jinteresawx aktar l schemes u l ajruplani hi.....imma jekk sa nghamlu xahaga u ghed jirigwardja l ajruplani u fuq kollox huk li jhobb l ajruplani sa jibnih, heq tibda min rasa lewwel il bicca, u tibda tajjeb , intom daqs khemm tajdulu lil Sammy miskien fuq il kuluri tal figuers....jew sa nghamlu xahaga bhal lohrajn !!!!! hekk ta malajr .......

skyhigh wrote:ara jien ukoll ,le hi jien ma kontx ghed niprova nikonvincik bla ebda mod, ma nafx li int ma jinteresawx aktar l schemes u l ajruplani hi.....imma jekk sa nghamlu xahaga u ghed jirigwardja l ajruplani u fuq kollox huk li jhobb l ajruplani sa jibnih, heq tibda min rasa lewwel il bicca, u tibda tajjeb , intom daqs khemm tajdulu lil Sammy miskien fuq il kuluri tal figuers....jew sa nghamlu xahaga bhal lohrajn !!!!! hekk ta malajr .......

le l-anqas xejn mhi ta malajr

Tant m'hix ta'malajr li nhoss li jekk nimxu fuq dak li ghamel FJ u l-scheme ta Richard Caruana nkunu mexjin sew

Li qed nara biss hi li int ma nbdilt qatt u mhux ha tinbidel.....igifieri taf li ahna lkoll INQIMUK bhala bir ma jispicca qatt ta' nformazzjoni, imma li tehel fuq RITRATT BLACK & WHITE u TIPPROVA TARAH BIL-KULUR TA'MOHHOK hija xi haga li ma niflahiex fik, meta tista qed tixkatla xi bicca wing jew tiskrajbja xi bicca tail ta dak l-imbierk ajruplan li m'int ha tlesti qatt

Ray

hehehehe hsibtek biex gej ghed nistenik lilek jew lil Brian u ijwa xi darba meta inkun bil burdata inkomplih, nixkatla jew nobrox u infitex lin formazjoni laqwa li lili it tini zudizfazjon li ghed mghamel xahaga gha l modelling issa nghamlu jien jew intom jien l aqwa li meta nghamlu xahaga nghamlu sew ... ghalek ahna marufin il club taghna li nghamlu mudelli ta vera b ricerka ta vera ..u mhux inwahlu xi joy stick ma fuselage :lol:u jekk xi hadd jizbalja f xi mudell ghax qara jew ikopja xi colour scheme li hi hazina, jien ma nireptix liz bal jew ghal inqas ifemu li hazin , ahna mahnix club copy u paste laqwa li lestu.. ..No No No mhux jien....

skyhigh wrote:hehehehe hsibtek biex gej ghed nistenik lilek jew lil Brian u ijwa xi darba meta inkun bil burdata inkomplih, nixkatla jew nobrox u infitex lin formazjoni laqwa li lili it tini zudizfazjon li ghed mghamel xahaga gha l modelling issa nghamlu jien jew intom jien l aqwa li meta nghamlu xahaga nghamlu sew ... ghalek ahna marufin il club taghna li nghamlu mudelli ta vera b ricerka ta vera ..u mhux inwahlu xi joy stick ma fuselage :lol:u jekk xi hadd jizbalja f xi mudell ghax qara jew ikopja xi colour scheme li hi hazina, jien ma nireptix liz bal jew ghal inqas ifemu li hazin , ahna mahnix club copy u paste laqwa li lestu.. ..No No No mhux jien....

Le m'ahniex club li l-aqwa li llestu l-anqas xejn pero meta ghandek daqshekk ritratti black & white li fl-opinjoni tieghi jidhru li huma desert scheme u tipprova tarah bil-kulur tal-mohh ghax hemm ritratt wiehed li juri Hurricane bl-ahdar u l-kannella (li xorta black & white wara kollox) huwa telf ta'hin fl-opinjoni umli tieghi. M'huwiex ricerka f'lokha nerga fl-opinjoni umli tieghi.

U barra minn hekk, id-desert scheme b'dak it-Tropical filter, hafna isbah u iktar jidher aggressiv

Ray

Mela sa nerga inteni u nerga najdlek sa tibnu mudel alla AME...ha najdilek laqwa li jogobni u jimpurtanix mil authenticty kif jogobni nghamlu .. mela biex ma thalix hin niextru wiehed diekast u ikun lest (ghax laqwa li ikun desert scheme...hallina u isma vera ghed nahli il hin mieghek jew ghed tiprova it tella it tread kif jghadlek Brian

Intom m'ghandkhomx x'tghamlu jew!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I do not manage to get my hands on the converion set, bye bye diorama. Only then I will start to worry about the scheme and I am 100% sure that an appropriate colour scheme will be found. As for the towing points, I think that the best person to talk to is Ray Polidano so as Vanni said we will pay a visit to aviation museum.

Ivan, as the Hurricane is a huge! model in 1/32, what are the possibilities that the diorama is done in 1/48?


J

I considered a 1/48 but the problem is props, not many figures and less right vehicles available, maybe Tamiya shall come out with a Matilda as till now only a Tilly came out in 1/48 and a Mk2 Bren which is not right for our project ... on another note there is a way to get rid of dimensions with a wedgie, practically the tail might be 'unnecessary' for our project, but again that is diskuttibli ...

Ivan

Conversion set for MKIIC has vanished from this world , so we either shelf this project until maybe a good kit is produced or I consider another aircraft.

Marco/JF what other aircraft are good candidates for such a diorama?

J

We can still manage with The MkI , why we are escluding the MKI what's wrong heq ..now its not only the colour scheme even the version mela
Here if you whant I have a photo of a MKI with (Desert scheme)!!

Even we have other option we can use the swordfish...or the Spitfire??

So, if the IIc is not available, you have 2 options, that would be about the same sized diorama,
1. do a spitfire, from march 42 onwards, I think that there would have been bad weather during it operations over here
2. do the hurricane, but go for the mkI, which is available in kit form presently, and same, it did rain when they were operating, but do not know what AFVs would have been avalibale it is much earlier.


These 2 aircraft were a regular fixture on malta, others were on detachments, or been here for a short time.