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    The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:18 am

    This the latest 1:72scale set which I have just received from Valdemar. It depicts a scene of a jury of the inquisition. I'm very much tempted to temporary shelve the castle project and start a boxed diorama....











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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  iCocker on Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:54 am

    Simply beautiful Ray ... very interesting and very artistic.

    I agree as we already discussed this set is an ideal project for a box. Hire DVD 'The Messanger' aka Joan of Ark or Name of the Rose to get some inspiration. Personally I would do a gothic interior with all those typical alcoves, just a corner, dark and high, with just a stained glass on a side. From that window I would channel just a beam of light on the victom. Giving him the effect of a martyr of the inquisition ...

    Come on mate have a go, would look good for Euro ...

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  bcauchi on Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:57 am

    Ray, these figures are magnificent, but don;t stop from the castle, it is always a great temptation to leave what you are doing and start on something you have just received. there is amazing scope with these figures. I also think that they are ideal for a box diorama. you could depict the interrogation chamber. This is really tempting.

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:40 am

    bcauchi wrote:Ray, these figures are magnificent, but don;t stop from the castle, it is always a great temptation to leave what you are doing and start on something you have just received. there is amazing scope with these figures. I also think that they are ideal for a box diorama. you could depict the interrogation chamber. This is really tempting.

    No Brian, it would be a shame to abandon the castle, I already invested alot of time on it. But as I said, the temptation of starting this one is too high Smile

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:44 am

    iCocker wrote:Simply beautiful Ray ... very interesting and very artistic.

    I agree as we already discussed this set is an ideal project for a box. Hire DVD 'The Messanger' aka Joan of Ark or Name of the Rose to get some inspiration. Personally I would do a gothic interior with all those typical alcoves, just a corner, dark and high, with just a stained glass on a side. From that window I would channel just a beam of light on the victom. Giving him the effect of a martyr of the inquisition ...

    Come on mate have a go, would look good for Euro ...

    Ivan

    Thanks for your excellent imagination cheers I can already see it in front of my eyes Cool I have the messanger DVD for ideas.

    So this will be worked in tandem with Werner Voss, hopefully Neutral

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  Ray on Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:03 pm

    Ray C.........just GO FOR IT because like Ivan said and suggested (his vision) this will look great for Euro and who knows what Idea Idea Idea impresses the general public and the judges alike Cool

    You can always continue the castle afterwards Twisted Evil

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  alexbb on Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:58 pm

    ray go for the inquisition or else TORQUEMADA alias ray will have you INQUISITED
    lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:32 pm

    I started my research...
















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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  Ray on Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:23 am

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  iCocker on Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:42 am

    Mdina Dungeons have recently updated a 1:1 diorama of the local inquisition and why not paying a visit to the inquisition palace, Birgu will also give you a hint of the court room, but remember that they are late renaissance/baroque period, yours are more inclined to the dark gothic period ... ftakar li dumnikani kienu!!!!

    PS. That pics with the monk being interviewed and the light coming on him is what I had in mind ...

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:46 am

    Ray wrote:Isma kif kien hawn Benedittu stajt staqsejtu naqra ta Laughing Laughing Laughing

    biex inghidlek stennejtu fejn il-monument imma tant ghaddewh jigri li ma' rnexxiliex Crying or Very sad

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:49 am

    iCocker wrote:Mdina Dungeons have recently updated a 1:1 diorama of the local inquisition and why not paying a visit to the inquisition palace, Birgu will also give you a hint of the court room, but remember that they are late renaissance/baroque period, yours are more inclined to the dark gothic period ... ftakar li dumnikani kienu!!!!

    PS. That pics with the monk being interviewed and the light coming on him is what I had in mind ...

    Ivan

    Thank Ivan. Great help as usual. Will pay a visit to both as it's been a while now since I last visited.

    @Light coming from window. That's what I thought when I first saw it Smile

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  bcauchi on Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:46 am

    Ivan just took the words out of my mouth. It would be great if you could depict the local inquisition palace and have your scene from that place. Besides you could replicate the hall exactly especially if you go there and take some photos. What better source than that!!??

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:11 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Ivan just took the words out of my mouth. It would be great if you could depict the local inquisition palace and have your scene from that place. Besides you could replicate the hall exactly especially if you go there and take some photos. What better source than that!!??

    Yes I agree Brian, it would have been great, but unfortunately as Ivan rightly pointed out the figures are of an earlier period. But I will still try to replicate some of the features found at the Birgu Palace. If I look in my library I may find photos.

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:51 pm

    This is my first mock scene of the shadow box diorama, shown as will be viewed by the viewer. The two guards walking away from the martyr and towards the imaginary door, will be carrying spears on their shoulders. Comments are very welcome.



    Close up of the inquisitor and scribe. The detail is incredible at such a small size Shocked


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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  Ray on Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:45 am

    As you said, the detail is incredible for such a scale Cool What a Face

    Looking good Relax Twisted Evil

    Are the windows a bit too high? I mean if you want to depict the sun light coming thru one of them, would it reach the priest as in the pic? I know that it's a mock up still, but am thinking that they are the walls you'll be actually using or am I wrong, and the amount of terrorists I rounded up from 9pm till now bla nifs, are affecting my imagination Laughing ?

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:50 am

    Ray wrote:As you said, the detail is incredible for such a scale Cool What a Face

    Looking good Relax Twisted Evil

    Are the windows a bit too high? I mean if you want to depict the sun light coming thru one of them, would it reach the priest as in the pic? I know that it's a mock up still, but am thinking that they are the walls you'll be actually using or am I wrong, and the amount of terrorists I rounded up from 9pm till now bla nifs, are affecting my imagination Laughing ?

    Thank you so much for your contribution Ray.

    For a castle, I think the height of the windows is just right (Ivan and/or Alex correct me if I'm wrong), but I still hasn't tested the light beam yet. You might be right, but need to check.

    Regarding the walls, I am tempted to use them but I see them too perfect for that time. Remember that this is not the renaissance but the Gothic era. But again I might be wrong, or I need to do some small alterations here and there to make it look less uniform.

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  iCocker on Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:09 am

    RayC,

    Composition is about right, though I am not that keen about the guards walking away from the martyr. Regarding the set up I would also play another part, elevate teh inquisitor higher to give him more autority, the man atarms with the crossbow would rather swop with some sword etc ... Regarding the inside, normally inquisitions were not done in castles but convents or palaces. Architecture would be more gothic ... though windows in medieval buildings tend to be high for a box diorama I agree with Ray and they look too up. [ I would consider one window maybe also]. So or elevate the key figures of the scene [which I would consider most] and maybe direct better the window to get a ray of light directly on the victom, as it is the victom needs to go further back to get a decent light ... use artistic license mate, no one will challenge you on that as you are creating an atmosphere!

    The detail is incredible for 1/72 ... I have a Perry Miniature bishop in full garment if it fits the scale take it mate ... Do not forget a big cross on the wall behind the inquisitor, you can easily burrow one from church souvenior shops [ the one of the rosearies are about right maybe] .. I think it looks good and maybe if you can add a bench with monks and clerics on the side would look good as well ...

    PROSIT so far! Like the idea very much ...

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  alexbb on Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:29 am

    RAY +RAY small castle windows as the one in ray c dio tended to be high up we have examples of these types of window in most of our towers, at buskett and the presidential palce in attard. sometimes platforms where added under these windows to make them more accessable. the larger windows especially the double arched windows (usually these where on the highest ramparts and facing inwards) on the other hand where very low set

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:56 pm

    iCocker wrote:RayC,

    Composition is about right, though I am not that keen about the guards walking away from the martyr. Regarding the set up I would also play another part, elevate teh inquisitor higher to give him more autority, the man atarms with the crossbow would rather swop with some sword etc ... Regarding the inside, normally inquisitions were not done in castles but convents or palaces. Architecture would be more gothic ... though windows in medieval buildings tend to be high for a box diorama I agree with Ray and they look too up. [ I would consider one window maybe also]. So or elevate the key figures of the scene [which I would consider most] and maybe direct better the window to get a ray of light directly on the victom, as it is the victom needs to go further back to get a decent light ... use artistic license mate, no one will challenge you on that as you are creating an atmosphere!

    The detail is incredible for 1/72 ... I have a Perry Miniature bishop in full garment if it fits the scale take it mate ... Do not forget a big cross on the wall behind the inquisitor, you can easily burrow one from church souvenior shops [ the one of the rosearies are about right maybe] .. I think it looks good and maybe if you can add a bench with monks and clerics on the side would look good as well ...

    PROSIT so far! Like the idea very much ...

    Ivan

    Thank you for your valuable input mate. Took note of all your points as this is a very early stage and things can easily be adjusted.The only problem I may find is to add other figures because there aren't much on the market Sad One has to work practically with what's in the box. Valdemar has another monastic set which could have complimented this subject but unfortunately it's in metal, hence the anatomy is a tad bigger and it shows!

    Regarding the Peery's bishop, I think Perry's are bigger scale but please bring to the club and we'll check.


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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:59 pm

    alex wrote:RAY +RAY small castle windows as the one in ray c dio tended to be high up we have examples of these types of window in most of our towers, at buskett and the presidential palce in attard. sometimes platforms where added under these windows to make them more accessable. the larger windows especially the double arched windows (usually these where on the highest ramparts and facing inwards) on the other hand where very low set

    Thank Alex.

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  Ray on Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:42 pm

    As Ivan so abely said, no one will challenge/contradict you vis a vis HISTORICITY and especially since you would be creating an atmosphere Evil or Very Mad Laughing

    He also pointed out some very valid notes as always re composition of the set up.

    And my I add this........since it will be boxed, and since most of it will be obscured, you can do with sawn off/half figures especially the monks and cleric sitting behind whatever bench serving as the jury Shocked

    I also see Ivan's point re the two guards walking away from the martyr. Why should they be walking away from the martyr? Have you thought of converting them a bit, position them flanking the martyr and in the process of walking towards him as if to escort him to the BarBQue on the point of the martyr's conviction Twisted Evil

    You can depict the bishop or whoever he would be in the act of shouting the verdict/sentence "And BURN thou shalt you Heretic"

    Have to stop now as my imagination is running havoc pale

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:09 pm

    Ray wrote:
    And my I add this........since it will be boxed, and since most of it will be obscured, you can do with sawn off/half figures especially the monks and cleric sitting behind whatever bench serving as the jury Shocked

    I haven't thought of that...good tip

    I also see Ivan's point re the two guards walking away from the martyr. Why should they be walking away from the martyr?

    They are taking their positions at the door.


    in the process of walking towards him as if to escort him to the BarBQue on the point of the martyr's conviction Twisted Evil

    This I like and will probably make!!

    You can depict the bishop or whoever he would be in the act of shouting the verdict/sentence "And BURN thou shalt you Heretic"

    Great title and idea...prosit

    Have to stop now as my imagination is running havoc pale

    Yes I think you'd better because it's me that has to do the work then
    Smile Cool

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  Ray on Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:19 pm

    Lovely last sentence Relax lol!

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    Re: The inquisition in 1:72 scale

    Post  RayCaruana on Tue May 04, 2010 10:26 pm

    I received the Gothic building kit by Pegasus hobbies today.



    and this is the corner I'm contemplating on using


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