Joint dioramas

skyhigh wrote:

This is super cool Marco, any volunteer to join in doing the downed bird, that image is a captured bird of prey by the Ruskies, the truck is a Zis5 and have one already ... who is in to do the bird?
maybe finally we see an Me109 from Marco, at least this gonna be easier doing it in parts ... ejja xbin!

By the way remember the pending Malta dio, it was good we shelved it, in the near future we shall be having a vikers tank in plastic and already box art is sporting the Malta camo! Spoted over Perth ...
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/vulcanmodels.html

Ivan that is a Bf109F-4 if you want more inf just let me now , If I will built one sure I'm not going to do it like that sure...

As if we are ever to see any model from Grand Master Marco!

But at least we know you can always help us in any information we seek, I am tempted ... can you indicate which models I have to look for and any details required, obviously 1/32.
It can always be the right project to enter the dark side again ... LOL

Ivan

Ivan for 1/32 Bf109F-4 there is the new model from Hasegawa , Trumpeter , 21 century, and the classic old kit from Revell , the last two are the cheapest for the price for such display..... I recon that Joseph had one if he doesn't sold it.


Ivan did you notice the rudder is full of kills... I try to get the inf about the aircraft or the pilot ..

I did a quick search nad found that the cheapest around is the Revell one [though it is an F not an F4 marked on box - no idea the difference?], mot sure if it is a good model and with raised panels etc as it looks to be a vintage from 1971. Noticed aswell those kills would be nice if you can trace the owner or at least the squad. Also of note is that strange blob underneath the wing near the insignia, would that have been something done by the ruskies? From the look it seems that it is not a downed bird but probably captured from an airfield, especially due they had the trouble to dismantle it. Would be nice to trace the region, I am guessing Leningrad front or somwhere in the Ukrain [operation Bagration]. The soviets are wearing the heavy parka [sheepskin coat] which was only used in the worst climates, which the foto really captures the feel and the worst on the Eastern front were Moscow [which I guess too early], Stalingrad, Leningrad and then Operation Bagration which started from Ukrain and ended Berlin [so we might get Polanad and Hungary into question].

Proset mate for bringing this up ...

Ivan

I am being tempted

Do you think that the other wing is on the other side or the truck is too narrow to hold everything, fuselage and two wings. Is the engine still on it's mount?

iCocker wrote:I did a quick search nad found that the cheapest around is the Revell one [though it is an F not an F4 marked on box - no idea the difference?], mot sure if it is a good model and with raised panels etc as it looks to be a vintage from 1971. Noticed aswell those kills would be nice if you can trace the owner or at least the squad. Also of note is that strange blob underneath the wing near the insignia, would that have been something done by the ruskies? From the look it seems that it is not a downed bird but probably captured from an airfield, especially due they had the trouble to dismantle it. Would be nice to trace the region, I am guessing Leningrad front or somwhere in the Ukrain [operation Bagration]. The soviets are wearing the heavy parka [sheepskin coat] which was only used in the worst climates, which the foto really captures the feel and the worst on the Eastern front were Moscow [which I guess too early], Stalingrad, Leningrad and then Operation Bagration which started from Ukrain and ended Berlin [so we might get Polanad and Hungary into question].

Proset mate for bringing this up ...

Ivan

Yes Ivan it is a bit strange because normal yellow bands were to narrow, and when it is wide it's done under the entire fuselage cross ,
about that strange blob, in my opinion it is new yellow colour try to cover some code or battle damage.

The difference that is most noticeable between F-2 and F-4 is the wheelwells , which the latter had round wheelwells instead of square (G type)...







This is going to be interesting , for the sqd most of them were JG54, but there were JG51, JG52, JG77 as well...I'm trying to remember from were I downloaded for the info..

Joseph wrote:I am being tempted

Do you think that the other wing is on the other side or the truck is too narrow to hold everything, fuselage and two wings. Is the engine still on it's mount?

In my opinion there is only one wing , all the soldiers or crew are holding one wing for balance...

Again about the engine in place I thing it is in place , because if you can see nearly all the fuselage is out of the truck, so the engine is keeping the balance don't you thing so...

I think aswell that the engine is there and probably both wings, both soldiers on the side are staying on the side panels of the truck nad from the other side looks like something else is visible, so I guess they are trying to hold things tight and if you look closely, there looks like a rope below the fuselage probably they are holding till someone tie up the bird. Infact there are some people near the truck, you can see the boots ...

What probably is omitted is the rudder annd the nose. What we do not know if they managed to deliver it intact

They just look like those Ice Truckers we so on Discovery Channel ...

Joe, the Zis is quite a big truck, the equivalent to the German Opel Blitz. What need to be studied is that we are using a 1/35 to a 1/32.

Next week will bring over the model of teh truck, if anyone has a partly built Me to compare and study the idea I think will help ...

Ivan

Ray wrote:I'm tempted too

Good one you're coming tomorrow Ivan as we haven't seen you since last year

Ejja mela we join in for this project, would be a softer exercise then a massive project ... sorry next week, not tomorrow I'll be coming and have to bring a cake, my turn hux! C U soon!

Iv

iCocker wrote:I think aswell that the engine is there and probably both wings, both soldiers on the side are staying on the side panels of the truck nad from the other side looks like something else is visible, so I guess they are trying to hold things tight and if you look closely, there looks like a rope below the fuselage probably they are holding till someone tie up the bird. Infact there are some people near the truck, you can see the boots ...

What probably is omitted is the rudder annd the nose. What we do not know if they managed to deliver it intact
Ivan

No Ivan if you open the photo you can see the whole rudder......

I still have the good old Revell 109F and it is engraved so half the burden is taken off my sholders.

Will bring the kit next Wednesday, its still a question if I come to club tomorrow.

This is more bizarre dear Marco!

They are all wearing Russian uniforms, but more bizarre is that the coat is not the typical sheepskin but the version used by the tankcrew or pilots. The boots is also strange [very similar to the German pilot version] ... so we have a dilema here these look the part of soldiers in a captured airfield or else luftwaffe crew in captured russian uniforms ... how unpredictable are fotos eh!

Iv

Time to read some news paper......

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You'd think a float plane pilot would wear boots! Maybe he was just a passenger

Just found this pic. Looks like wind tunnel testing (in the 30's!!) of the 109. Makes you wonder how they lost the War - Thank God.

Would make one wicked diorama though!

Amazing, it would have to be in small scale, imagine the size of that for a 32nd scale 109!!!

Wayne simple maths dear Wayne they lost the war because they played dirty against everybody, the worst being with the Soviet Union ....

British way of transport 109's......

Is that an F2 or an F4? can you tell

iCocker wrote:Wayne simple maths dear Wayne they lost the war because they played dirty against everybody, the worst being with the Soviet Union ....

ivan you seem to have forgotten that the soviet union had a player in that game remember the partition of poland the infamous ribentrop /molotov alliance it seems that the soviets forgot that they where to blame as much as the Germans for the beginning of wwii they only reacted because they where betrayed by their former bedfellows

Wayne wrote:Is that an F2 or an F4? can you tell

Wayne it's an F.4, you can see the exhaust shrouds half coverd ,