Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

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    Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  Samwel18 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:15 pm

    Hello again guys,

    Well this must be my fastest figure to date infact it's my 1st Hospitaller Very Happy it took me 4 weeks total(construction + painting) to finish this dude Smile

    some minor touch ups on the groundwork(P.S. the groundwork isnt that bright in reality) and near his left hand on the red tunic and it will be done...and then onto Enigma's Yarry which i think will be a hospitaller as well Very Happy

    Bad pics as always Smile but you can bombard me tnight..hmm how much i like the criticsm Very Happy

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  William on Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:28 pm

    Wonderful Samwel Smile

    Great work Exclamation Bet my uncle will love it (as you know he adores Hospitallers Wink)


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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  Ray on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:03 pm

    Sam GREAT figure believe me but you're gonna hate me for this Sad

    The CROSS should be on the left breast (on the heart sort of.......don't tell me I DIDN'T TELL YOU TA) and it was not a Latin Cross AFAIK but a Cross potance or something like that..........hope Ivan would chime in and correct me and you accordingly Sad

    Cracking piece nonetheless cheers

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  iCocker on Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:22 pm

    First of all great piece Sammy, the red is brilliant though I do not like that almost 'black' deep shadow from under the belt till the end of the tunic on the right that looks too straight line IMO, but I am judging on the photos ...

    So the issue of the cross, 'l-ghajjien' in that period should be potance cross [in simple 'man in street' words - cross with points at the edges but not the proper eight pointed Maltese cross yet].

    Regarding position, let us be in the right side of history, to date there is no proof what, were and what size the cross was. The statute of the period only said that knight had to dress in a red field with a cross. On another note being a little artistic on the left will look nicer and it is in the vicinity of the hearth, and you now these were Knights and gave their blood for each infidel they sent to the other world ... If you want to play it safe you can also put it in the middle ... insomma an easy correction mate ... but would rather update it, especially coming from a Maltese going to a foreign competition !

    Ah forgot - take off that blue lining from the belt, the statue instigated that rich items are forbid, their equipment had to be simple, no jewels, enemels, rich material or embroidery ... and swords were not gilded but made of iron!!!!!!!

    Prosit!

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  bcauchi on Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:47 am

    I cannot argue with the rest, especially Mr. Cocker who is really keen into history. Apart from the black line which i do nt like either, i think that it is brilliant. I like it but i am an aircraft builder.

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  Joseph on Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:37 am

    I realy love these history lessons, very good work Sam keep it up and do take notice of the constructive and positive criticisim so you will end up one of the finest modellers of SSM, tinsiex int il-futur Smile Smile.

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    Post  iCocker on Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 am

    Just to continue on yesterday's club discussions, and how nit picking we history buffs we might be, eh!!!!

    The hilts of combat swords were mainly made of iron, and somethimes one can also find 'yellow coloured' metal handles, that look like brass but not gilded in gold.
    I am not an expert of metal work but probbaly this was the result of some alloy mixed with iron that produced this colour. In renaissance and after, we had also the introduction of a blue coated metal, this was a result of another mix, tempered on fire acheiving a bluish patina to metal ...

    Gilded swords and also handles made of golds, one can still find but these were meant for ceremonial use only.

    During the early period of the Crusades, the Hospitaller Order was very strict on their monastic rule, of obedience, poverty and castity. During the early period, though most of the Knights came from rich noble families, were forbid to have rich items, including rich textiles, furs, enemeled belts, jewelry and ornamental weapons and any of items they brought with them was handed to the treaseaurer.

    After the Crusades in the Holy Lands, seems that these ideas to have been 'put aside' and as the Order grew richer and richer, and the best families enroling their proud sons in seems these ideas of poverty and castity starting to be 'played around'. Especially from the renaissance onwards we can see that the best and richest material for warefare and arts were the new face of the Order. This what made the Order a 'super power' of the time and thanks to that Malta has benefited with the richest legacy and patrimony left by these proud aristocrats. Just visiting the Palace Armoury, the frescoes and the riches in St John co-Cathedral is the testimony of what I am saying, comparing to basic structure of Crack de Chavalier in Jordon ...

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    Post  iCocker on Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:17 am

    Forgot also to mention another factor during the crusades in the Holy Land, the Order forbid shaving of beards, till date how these laws were implored for how long these were kept now one really have gone in depth till date ...

    But you are forgiven for this Sammy!

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  bcauchi on Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:33 am

    Kemm int kbir Ivan, these history lessons are great, keep it up!!

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  iCocker on Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:17 am

    Le Brian, dan frott ta snin nghati bix-xwabel, naqra fuq l-Ospitallieri u kollaborazjoni ma l-aqwa esperti fis-suggett.

    Biss tant u vast is-suggett u tant kull snea xi hadd isib xi dokument gdid li qatt ma tista tghid li wasalt x'imkien ... insomma inthom ma tghamlux ghib fuq l-Kavallieri tal-Ajru, l-Aces ta WW2 ...

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  Samwel18 on Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:55 pm

    Thx for all the comments guys.....and the BIG HELP...

    Joseph I always like constructive criticism it helps you improve.....

    @ Ivan...thx for all the help mate....i'll be forever grateful to all Wink

    Now the cross has been wiped off from the figure and arranged the red etc to keep the transitions smooth....

    Before I get on with the cross(awaiting ivan's reply or Ray's) so that I would not do the same mistake again.... the cross patonce Smile I found some links but i think is not the real one Sad I think mine should be like Ray's Gonfonanier's Shield cross or confused confused here's a link that are related to cross potance...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cross-Patonce-Heraldry.png
    http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/maltese.html -----(I think is the first one from the row in this link Smile

    Well until you give me a reply I will arrange the leather, the nasty blue Very Happy and the sword hilt will remain the same just I will give it a wash so that it doesn't look shiny new Smile

    Thx for all the help guys...kem intom tal-genn...

    Ikollkom cans idhlu fdin il-link:
    http://www.planetfigure.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31226---hadd ma nduna li andu is salib in naha lohra Very Happy:D biex tara kemm intom kings fuq il king Wink

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  iCocker on Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:10 pm

    http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/maltese.html the cross stated Pattee is a good strat of, use also Ray's workl as reference ... over planetfigure I rather do not comment anymore on historical issues, first as many big heads think they can do what they like especially Crusading period as we lack referance etc and many more feel not to comment as might they hurt someone. Once on the older HM Forum I had highlighted this cross issue on a much earlier period figure, I recall he had a red cappae [never heard of], a black mantle with a redcross and a shield red with an eight pointed cross. Heq ma flahx and pointed out these mistakes, I got bashed back as it was a well painted figure and the worst thing was that the painter told me that he liked it that he liked it that way ... so why I waste time with these kind of people! One day I gonna paint Napoleon with a pink coat and see what they say and say that for art sake I wanted him that way ... unfortunetly certain forums what we read is Wow, Good, Awesome ... and the usual thumbs up, I understand that here as we have always been in SSM would be a different story!

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  Samwel18 on Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:14 pm

    You hit the nail on his head mate.....

    Bdw have you seen this link :

    http://www.figurinitaly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4559

    Le Petit Soldat Cancelled SadSadSadSad

    Then I have to confirm again..it's going to be like Ray's Hospitaller Gonfanonier(the cross on the shield on his back)?...on to work Very Happy

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  iCocker on Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm

    To bad for St Vincent, it was the best Italian show, but might be a good occasion for us to start thinking to advertise History in Scale as an international show + tourism ... we need to start planning ahead and this is the right time!

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    Re: Knight Hospitaller FINISHED!!!

    Post  Samwel18 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:22 am

    YES YES YES ivan...........I agree with you and I think all of my bigger brothers xD would agree with me as well Smile]

    Advertisment can be done from forums Smile and will see who comes....

    I offer you my full support altough it is a very small but the heart counts the most Very Happy

    See Ya!

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    Post  Dottore on Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:27 pm

    Magnificent workkkk!
    The face and red are brilliant......

    Dottore

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    Must be terrifying having Ivan as your tutor on a subject he knows so well waaaaaaaaaaaa What a Face
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