Cromwell and Centaur.....CROMWELL FINISHED....

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    Cromwell and Centaur.....CROMWELL FINISHED....

    Post  Dottore on Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:47 pm

    At last I found some time to post some in progress pics...still some way to go but I hope to say the worst is over now....
    For who is not familiar...the Cromwell and Centaur were 2 WW2 British tanks...identical hull but different turrets. Cromwell had a 75mm while the Centaur had a 95mm howitzer...
    The cromwell turret was far more complicated in terms of detail...mostly due to the fact that i wanted to detail some items I thought were oversimplified OOTB. The British antenna is a Lionmarc offering I was introduced to by Alex (aka Sandro Razz ). The coaxial is armorscale Besa (again Alex). 75mm is also armorscale. 95mm metal barrels are not availabkle in turned metal but I figure the plastic one is not too bad...
    The plastic stwoage boxes are OK, but I wanted to feature some battle damage and one of them opened with stuff inside, think adds character to the tank. Boxes are ABER...
    Comments/criticism as always welcome....

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    Items I didnt like....


    Plastic storage box....


    Cromwell turret....








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    Post  alexbb on Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:17 pm

    FL'AHHAR WASLU
    the work so far looks meticulous hope you dont keep us waiting for another six months now lol! lol! lol!

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    Very nice build

    Post  Luke on Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:00 pm

    Very nice build Doc Smile , What was the use of the centaur during WW2 please ?

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    Post  alexbb on Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:05 pm

    Luke wrote:Very nice build Doc Smile , What was the use of the centaur during WW2 please ?

    close support, mainly used by the special 79th and royal marines

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    Post  olivermifsud on Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:35 pm

    good job dottore

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    Post  bcauchi on Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:20 pm

    Absolutely brilliant work Doc, and don;t take notice of them, i work as slow as a snail but you are doing a brilliant job. the detail is really top notch.

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    Post  Joseph on Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:44 am

    Nice one Doc, something different from OD I hope Smile @

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    Post  iCocker on Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:41 am

    Prosit Dottore, what a duplex, exquisite and clean worsmanship [insomma you took 7 months] ... ejja splash some paint!

    Maybe a hint to make the Cromwell more interesting why not make one of those who fell prey to Wittman's Tiger solo attack ... it would be very interesting lol!

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    Colour schemes....

    Post  Dottore on Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:28 pm

    Cromwell British green...so not OD...

    Centaur will be Brown Drab....(I think thats the name at least lol).

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    Post  alexbb on Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:02 pm

    Dottore wrote:Cromwell British green...so not OD...

    Centaur will be Brown Drab....(I think thats the name at least lol).

    Dottore

    the correct colour is s.c.c. no2 (brown) BASIC more commonly known as khaki drab
    while the cromwell COULD be in s.c.c. no15 OLIVE DRAB BASIC (A GREENER OLIVE DRAB THAN AMERICAN VERSION) OR THE EARLIER BUT NOT SO COMMON KHAKI GREEN G3 BASIC
    HOPE THIS HELPS

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    Post  iCocker on Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:50 pm

    Dottore wrote:Cromwell British green...so not OD...

    Centaur will be Brown Drab....(I think thats the name at least lol).

    Dottore


    STILL IT IS A GREEN HUE and in the lines of OD Crying or Very sad

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    Post  Dottore on Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:46 pm

    OD was NOT a green hue cat
    Its a mixture of BLACK and OCHRE...so more on the lines of brown....

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    Post  alexbb on Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:57 pm

    Dottore wrote:OD was NOT a green hue cat
    Its a mixture of BLACK and OCHRE...so more on the lines of brown....

    Dottore

    DOTT SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUX

    BLACK IS A SHADE, THE CLOSEST YOU CAN GET TO MAKING BLACK IS A VERY DARK BLUE COLOUR ADD OCHRE TO THIS AND INVARIABLE YOU END UP WITH A GREEN OR BROWN GREEN HUE SO YES IT IS GREEN, ON THE BROWN SIDE BUT STILL GREEN

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    I'm sorry....

    Post  Dottore on Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:22 pm

    Alex...But if u read S. Zaloga's article on OD in MM of a few years back it clearly says that OD is a mixture of black and OD...and that it was brown rather than green...

    Anyway tell me something I need....is the British antenna too high up...should it be down to the arms?

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    Post  alexbb on Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:34 pm

    Dottore wrote:Alex...But if u read S. Zaloga's article on OD in MM of a few years back it clearly says that OD is a mixture of black and OD...and that it was brown rather than green...

    Anyway tell me something I need....is the British antenna too high up...should it be down to the arms?

    Dottore

    the antenna looks ok but have to check
    BLACK AS A COLOUR DOES NOT EXIST ITA A SHADE
    YOU CAN ONLY GET BLACK IN THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF LIGHT
    what i tried to explain is that black paint is s very very dark blue or brown colour with the addition of ochre invariably you end up with a green or browngreen hue

    there are only 3 primary colours blue red and yellow, no black no white
    now what has olive drab to do with this you might ask. basically its a shade of green with a brown hue i agree, but its not brown

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    Youre saying....

    Post  Dottore on Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:39 pm

    That if I go into a paint shop...and ask for black wall paint...he'll tell me...BLACK DOES NOT EXIST...ITS A SHADE>>>>but i can give you very dark blue....!!!
    I know in principle its a shade but the colour does exist in practice. So what is soot? very dark blue?

    Don't intend to start a debate...so i'll stop here.... tongue

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    Post  alexbb on Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:04 pm

    re antenna hope this helps yours looks spot on



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    Post  alexbb on Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:11 pm

    Dottore wrote:That if I go into a paint shop...and ask for black wall paint...he'll tell me...BLACK DOES NOT EXIST...ITS A SHADE>>>>but i can give you very dark blue....!!!
    I know in principle its a shade but the colour does exist in practice. So what is soot? very dark blue?

    Don't intend to start a debate...so i'll stop here.... tongue

    Dottore

    so will i after this
    as for going to a paint shop, try asking him for rlm 7010 and he will certainly look bemused.my point which you seem not to have understood is
    to get a "black" colour you need a dark blue. now what do you get if you mix any sort of blue with any sort of yellow. a penny to whoever gets this right

    lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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    Post  alexbb on Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:15 pm

    looking at the photo i would if i where you try to straighten the supporting struts on the antennal rig base as they look a bit bent inwards but this is only nitpicking on my part(NO IM NOT TRYING TO GET MY OWN BACK AT YOU)

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    Antenna....

    Post  Dottore on Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:36 am

    Add white to very dark blue...you get paler blue...
    Add white to black...you get grey!

    Dottore

    PS Antenna supporting arms DO have an angle bend midway. Thanks for the pic didnt find that on net....

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    Post  iCocker on Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:45 am

    Not to debate but just a note Dottore, in paper printing [CMYK] we already have a specific Black [we call it K] but when you print it on paper it comes grainy, so to add a more dramatic rich Black we just add 80% cyan [which is from where blue comes] ... this is just to give you an idea of the colour theory ... besides if you mix the C [Cyan], M [Magenta] and Y [Yellow] 100% of each alltogether you get a muddy black colour ...


    On another note black in textiles tend to fade to a greenish grey hue, instead of the logical greywhite hue we have in our mind, paint is made of pigments which are minerals or synthetics, not ray of lights, so they are not that pure ...

    Just my aproach to colour ...

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    Post  Ray on Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:57 am

    Great work Doc Roe and it pays to be patient and wait!!! I can attest to working at a snail's pace Sad

    Apart the intricate work, I really admired your meticulous turntable Twisted Evil worthy of Doc Roe's role in everyday's chores lol!

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    Post  alexbb on Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:39 pm

    Dottore wrote:Add white to very dark blue...you get paler blue...
    Add white to black...you get grey!

    Dottore

    PS Antenna supporting arms DO have an angle bend midway. Thanks for the pic didnt find that on net....

    AND I THOUGHT YOU WHERE GOING TO STOP WELL IF YOURE NOT NOR AM I

    AS FOR SOOT, IT LOOKS BLACK BUT ACTUALLY ISNT. YOU CAN PROVE THIS YOURSELF BY LOOKING UNDER ONE OF YOUR MICROSCOPES OR A POWERFUL MAGNIFyING LENS.


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    Post  RayCaruana on Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:55 pm

    MHUX AHJAR TMUR TKOMPLI DOTT???!!!

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    Post  alexbb on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:53 pm

    Dottore wrote:Add white to very dark blue...you get paler blue...
    Add white to black...you get grey!

    Dottore

    PS Antenna supporting arms DO have an angle bend midway. Thanks for the pic didnt find that on net....

    its from the militaria cromwell book.
    take a closer look at the antenna mount below


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