Panzer I A - 95% DONE!!!!

iCocker wrote:I know what you mean Noel, but sometimes less is better, he already plays the part properly ... no need to creat Saving Private Ryan effects

I would rectify one thing, the skin tones look alive ... too pink, a death body would turn cold and pale, by adding a little bit of more white and green in the skin tone mix you create a cold effect and cretae more pale highlights including the fingers ... you need to kill the pinkish hue and create a corpse.

Ivan

Ray wrote:Noel be careful that the Payne Grey's filter won't "react" with the colours you already used & make the face look DIRTY  

If I was you, I would create a "fresh" flesh mix & include more white & add green as Ivan suggested & go over it again even if with filters

Just my 2c worth

iCocker wrote:Paul, I think war is enough a horrible word that no one needs explanation of what really happens, but when interpreting a diorama one needs to give a good message, that message do not need to be goory neither ... so I think keeping things kept suttle and less bloodthirsty is a kind of respect, remember the person we model upon especially when doing a fotodio was a living human being irrispective the nation, he was somebody's son or father ...

Welldone Ivan I agree 101%

iCocker wrote:I was speaking in general and not refering to Noel's work ... I think it is subtle enough, but again I state my point for doing such a mortal pose and message which is already horrible enough one does not need to rely on blood to show death ... if you make a medieval soldier after a battle he'll be soaked in blood as the battles at that time were different and slashing and close combat was the norm but in modern battles death comes in different forms and shapes ... we do not need to see our models like the Good Friday statues hux?

PS. Snipers do not waste their time and show up their hiding place to kill a tankcrew escaping, snipers especially in WW2 were after topbrass ...  tankcrew would be hit by crossfire and infantry, or die out from wounds already sustained from the hit ... remember a hit and caught inside the tank is horrible enough, there are accounts of crew beheaded or cut in half and stayed put in their seats ...we need to show this?

I feel when we put a death body although personification it has to be done with respect ... scrutinizing again the original image the death german has no blood oming from from his mouth ... so why adding it if you are doing a fotodio? It is not fuss we are building an argument of how people react to such views ...



Ivan

Ray wrote:

iCocker wrote:Paul, I think war is enough a horrible word that no one needs explanation of what really happens, but when interpreting a diorama one needs to give a good message, that message do not need to be goory neither ... so I think keeping things kept suttle and less bloodthirsty is a kind of respect, remember the person we model upon especially when doing a fotodio was a living human being irrispective the nation, he was somebody's son or father ...

Welldone Ivan I agree 101%

iCocker wrote:I was speaking in general and not refering to Noel's work ... I think it is subtle enough, but again I state my point for doing such a mortal pose and message which is already horrible enough one does not need to rely on blood to show death ... if you make a medieval soldier after a battle he'll be soaked in blood as the battles at that time were different and slashing and close combat was the norm but in modern battles death comes in different forms and shapes ... we do not need to see our models like the Good Friday statues hux?

PS. Snipers do not waste their time and show up their hiding place to kill a tankcrew escaping, snipers especially in WW2 were after topbrass ...  tankcrew would be hit by crossfire and infantry, or die out from wounds already sustained from the hit ... remember a hit and caught inside the tank is horrible enough, there are accounts of crew beheaded or cut in half and stayed put in their seats ...we need to show this?

I feel when we put a death body although personification it has to be done with respect ... scrutinizing again the original image the death german has no blood oming from from his mouth ... so why adding it if you are doing a fotodio? It is not fuss we are building an argument of how people react to such views ...



Ivan

iCocker wrote:Roy Hunt's Hiroshima Storm Girl t is a single figure with a big story in 54mm ... fotos does not make any justice, had the honour to hold this masterpiece before we entered WE Girona ... it is impressive yet so tiny!

http://www.militarymodelling.com/forums/postings.asp?th=17800


... and to me this is the fulcrum of dios with a message, not an easy subject to make it without going overboard ... Burden of Surrows, masterfully done by Rick Lawler

http://ricklawler.plastic-garden.com/?p=2050

iCocker wrote:The impact is there though the images are duff my friend ... Storm girl, you have a child who lost her innocence surrounded by what was once her  playingground and home, now all debri, solitude and the remains of a burnt out tricycle, she is worst then death as she survived ... survived the aftermath of the worst weapon developed by men ... I think it is simple enough, you have to look outside the box when dealing with such vignettes ... and let the viewer come up with his own philosophy ... the other one is also very strong, an inmate collecting the belongings of the poor guys who were sent to the gas chambers ... he could have easily made a queue of people going to the chambers or a pile of death bodies BUT he created something different, the solitude and emptiness give the message of death ... this is another way in both subjects to deal with horrors, this time instead of direct impact it makes you think ... that was my debate.

It is like movies for example Tarrantino, he loves red blood baths to give his impact of death, then we have Spielberg and Cameron who create impact different, like a red sea and puddles, death fish and death cows [showing that war does not choose anything and men also destroys the peace of nature] besides death men, frightened soldiers ... like the soldier searching his blown hand, he kept the colours dull though all death and soldiers are full of grime and blood  ... all directors are good yet all have a different kind of impact ... not one is better then the other ...

Ivan

Ray wrote:Noel, you have every right to feel so, that is why we tend to agree to disagree

It is IRRELEVANT where the girl was when the blast occured...it is the aftermath of that same blast that we are seeing in Storm Girl, which was taken from an actual photo BTW  

Ivan, me & whoever agreed at EuroMilitaire 2007, can see SO MUCH thru SO FEW in that Storm Girl & again it got the MAJORITY of the votes for BOS, so, with all due respect, bad luck for the MINORITY including you

Vive le Difference

Keep up the great work BTW      

Noel Petroni wrote:

Ray wrote:Noel, you have every right to feel so, that is why we tend to agree to disagree

It is IRRELEVANT where the girl was when the blast occured...it is the aftermath of that same blast that we are seeing in Storm Girl, which was taken from an actual photo BTW  

Ivan, me & whoever agreed at EuroMilitaire 2007, can see SO MUCH thru SO FEW in that Storm Girl & again it got the MAJORITY of the votes for BOS, so, with all due respect, bad luck for the MINORITY including you

Vive le Difference

Keep up the great work BTW      

Hi Ray....... still on the sand... deck chair and umbrella, sipping a cold beer! Hey can you make one of those nice sand castles, you know, detailed and all, and post a pic so I'll show it to my kids!  They love sand castles! And another thing.... is it true..... although you are on a sandy beach you have to walk miles for a dip in the sea!   Man, that's not good.... what if they steal your mobile!

Ray I beg to differ re:It is IRRELEVANT where the girl.  The girl could not have survived!!! In such a clean state even!!!  For me a powerful shot is that running naked girl (a very famous photo). It shows what she has been through.  Storm girl ... is singing in the ash!!  

Poor Girl may her Soul Rest In Eternal Peace

She may have emerged from some worm hole to have survived & the fact that she survived, we are paying her back by debating where she was, why she is so clean, why is she wearing an unissued mask, why is she carrying a tattered umbrella & calling her names "singing in the ash"

She could have been in Honolulu for all we care the fact is she is in Horishima or rather amidst what was left of Hirosima at that time, in that FROZEN (even if in ASH) moment

Noel, I am back & I am staying here this time bro.......too unstable down there, Desert & Tripoli alike with Toyota pick ups being hijacked & personnel left stranded & shocked & sometimes even slightly wounded from ricochet bullets fired from AK-47's towards the damn TARMAC, as happened the day before I flew in from the desert, with a company car hijacked as it neared a "sleeping policeman" (I know, I know I used to be one ) & hooded gunmen firing in air & the ground

It was good while it lasted & I enjoyed every minute
Marco started a thread for me "Memmories of Libya" (that is why the "mm") & there you can see how much I enjoyed it