F84G ''Thunderbirds'', 1:48 Tamiya

Now this is coming a beauty...

Adrian instead of water colours I used pastel chalks for panel line wash mixed with liquid soap and water. It worked fine for me. You have to re do several times in order to get the wash into all the panel lines.

Impressive work eh

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RAF wrote:Adrian instead of water colours I used pastel chalks for panel line wash mixed with liquid soap and water. It worked fine for me. You have to re do several times in order to get the wash into all the panel lines.

Guys instead of wasting time experimenting in mixing prime minerals with something that does not mix with - can't see why mixing pastel oil chalk with water+soap when they should be mix with lynseed oil, spirit or alcahol apart better using pure PIGMENTS then pastels ... there are ready made proved products that are meant for pin washing and avoid this hassle! I am refering to washes from MIG production range and the new enemel based washes from AK, designed by modellers for modellers!These come in a range of colours meant for all type of washes and for different colour schemes ... jahasra life is short!

http://migproductionswebshop.com/index.php?cPath=24&osCsid=c74082af8490075266e55eb900482232

and maybe foloow this thread which is not in plane section https://ipmsmalta.forumotion.net/t1264-weathering-products-by-ak-aka-mig-jimenez

Apart the traditional proven mix of oil paint with turpentine or white spirit ...

By the way great model ... and apart all great sbs on this forum, nice to see from start to finish progress! Well done mate you gave us a lesson!

Iv

RAF wrote:Adrian instead of water colours I used pastel chalks for panel line wash mixed with liquid soap and water. It worked fine for me. You have to re do several times in order to get the wash into all the panel lines.

Ive read about chalk. not so many good reviews. they almost disappear when over coated and their pigment it not fine enough for washes & they stain matt surfaces. water colour have very fine pigment and can wash off easily with no damage. i get broken panel lines not because the wash doesnt stay, but because it keeps coming off when i run the cotton bud over it

I much prefer water colour too oil, but water colour doesnt run into panel lines like oils do..

iCocker wrote:

RAF wrote:Adrian instead of water colours I used pastel chalks for panel line wash mixed with liquid soap and water. It worked fine for me. You have to re do several times in order to get the wash into all the panel lines.

Guys instead of wasting time experimenting in mixing prime minerals with something that does not mix with - can't see why mixing pastel oil chalk with water+soap when they should be mix with lynseed oil, spirit or alcahol apart better using pure PIGMENTS then pastels ... there are ready made proved products that are meant for pin washing and avoid this hassle! I am refering to washes from MIG production range and the new enemel based washes from AK, designed by modellers for modellers!These come in a range of colours meant for all type of washes and for different colour schemes ... jahasra life is short!

http://migproductionswebshop.com/index.php?cPath=24&osCsid=c74082af8490075266e55eb900482232

and maybe foloow this thread which is not in plane section https://ipmsmalta.forumotion.net/t1264-weathering-products-by-ak-aka-mig-jimenez

Apart the traditional proven mix of oil paint with turpentine or white spirit ...

By the way great model ... and apart all great sbs on this forum, nice to see from start to finish progress! Well done mate you gave us a lesson!

Iv

Ive done research on mig pigments and got a lot of the same problems i had with oils.. they clump up. if they were for sale in malta i would try one out but theyr not! i avoid wasting money buying from the internet and paying double for the shipping

AdriaN wrote:

iCocker wrote:

RAF wrote:Adrian instead of water colours I used pastel chalks for panel line wash mixed with liquid soap and water. It worked fine for me. You have to re do several times in order to get the wash into all the panel lines.

Guys instead of wasting time experimenting in mixing prime minerals with something that does not mix with - can't see why mixing pastel oil chalk with water+soap when they should be mix with lynseed oil, spirit or alcahol apart better using pure PIGMENTS then pastels ... there are ready made proved products that are meant for pin washing and avoid this hassle! I am refering to washes from MIG production range and the new enemel based washes from AK, designed by modellers for modellers!These come in a range of colours meant for all type of washes and for different colour schemes ... jahasra life is short!

http://migproductionswebshop.com/index.php?cPath=24&osCsid=c74082af8490075266e55eb900482232

and maybe foloow this thread which is not in plane section https://ipmsmalta.forumotion.net/t1264-weathering-products-by-ak-aka-mig-jimenez

Apart the traditional proven mix of oil paint with turpentine or white spirit ...

By the way great model ... and apart all great sbs on this forum, nice to see from start to finish progress! Well done mate you gave us a lesson!

Iv

Ive done research on mig pigments and got a lot of the same problems i had with oils.. they clump up. if they were for sale in malta i would try one out but theyr not! i avoid wasting money buying from the internet and paying double for the shipping

Looks I was not clear enough! I was refering to MIG WASHES AND AK WASHES! I use them and had good results ...
Speaking of pigments, these are meant for weathering effects BUT with piments you can still create washes! MIG pigments used to be found locally from Forbidden Power, Msida ... fittex u sib!

Sorry i meant * MIG WASHES
So they dont sell washes??
khobbies sell pigments, but no washes

AdriaN wrote:Sorry i meant * MIG WASHES
So they dont sell washes??
khobbies sell pigments, but no washes

As ususal these take ages for our local supplier to realise to bring them over, maybe one day ... by the way KHobbies does not stock MIG pigments but Vallejo ... different brands make different products, never tried them but they might be good aswell ... : )

As for washes and filters from MIG or AK, personally I have invested in both and work with both, an essential item and saves me the hassle of mixing washes which never match the previous tone again! Buy with confidence mate!

Ivan

In december i asked for polishing pads and mr surfcer 1200... he said the stock with them will arrive in january. In april i went again, still he didnt have, and again he said theyll soon arrive- maybe next week

Antoine, I already told you, if you want the polishing pads let me know, I order from micromark regularly and would get them for you from them!

Spraying the antiglare panel was probably the best & most relaxing part of this whole build!


Parts drybrushed and washed. Pics dont give them much justice


Bays weathered





For a change, I decided to use super glue for the wheels. They dry fitted nicely but when i pushed them into place with the CA, they got stuck half way in! and i couldnt pull this particular wheel out! resulting in the plastic fitting to break off in the bay So i calmy trimmed away the plastic fitting left behind on both the wheel and wheel bay, & drilled 2 holes to fit in wire for a stronger fitting, since glue is not strong enough to keep the landing gear in place. Believe it or not.. the CA was giving me further problems when i came to fit the wire in place! :fuyou_2:


Here it is. stuck down with CA. i ended up using the usual liquid glue for the front gear & other wheel.
Flaps also in place





Gear doors in place. they went on really nice. except for the front ones

Nice bird Adrian, the finishing is superb...

Marco, why is it in the pics of the seatbelts, first the shoulder harness is tied around the green seat structure bar & seems to be one whole belt, then in the illustrations the shoulder harnesses are 2 seperate ones and they come from behind the seat?? which is correct?

Its almost done!

AdriaN wrote:Marco, why is it in the pics of the seatbelts, first the shoulder harness is tied around the green seat structure bar & seems to be one whole belt, then in the illustrations the shoulder harnesses are 2 seperate ones and they come from behind the seat?? which is correct?

the last one Adrian they are coming from the back , that photo only show the straps hanging ... they are some how conocted with that bar...

I think i will connect them to the bar, but seperate them (not so close together)

AdriaN wrote:I think i will connect them to the bar, but seperate them (not so close together)

YES....

Lovely work Adrian, it is looking really good.

BRAVO!!!!!!

Adrian is becoming the master of these bare metal jets and they look really nice, a truly excellent job of a difficult subject!!

Seat Belts - take 3


Third go at the seat belts. Scratch built from tape. I followed the coloured photo seen in pic here. I couldnt scratch build the sholder harness buckles because of their miniature size, so i used tape coloured silver.



Looking much better and realistic. I refuse a take no 4

Bravo... they look much better than the previous one's..

Now you're talking Adrian, you will see what a big difference they make in the pit. Seat belts really stick out in a cockpit and having a nice set really sets the model apart. Well done.