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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Ray on Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:01 pm

    Looking good Brian cheers

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  in nannu pec on Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:39 pm

    well done as aklways Mr Brian Smile
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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:36 pm

    No brian the kit ones are blank..... pity they should at least did something ,  not like the new Revell G6 they are beautiful made...


    Hasegawa...



    Revell...



    most of the frame are the same..only the top wing different..








    if it is not enough tell me... but the back part will be coverd with the shroud.




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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Noel Petroni on Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:48 am

    Nice work, Brian!

    And with our research of all things military friend Marco.... how can we go wrong!

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:18 am

    Prosit Marco and thank you now i can finish the wheel wells maybe today. I did not have any decent details for the rest of the well. I do not know why you made such a fuss of the new kit wheel well area. They just left it exactly as the 109G4 trop which i was using. It is totally inaccurate, the framing is of the G and they left the bulge so in actual fact they did not do a single thing to correct this wheel well but took the easy way out. Now it is up to us to get it right. I also corrected the aluminium framing i did and it looks much better now. I will post some pics when the wheel well is complete.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:42 am

    Yes your right , I was mixing up with the new Revell kit... Laughing ....
    If you checked the link that I already send you , you could have saw them already...
    http://ipmsmalta.forumotion.net/t2092-bf109f-details


    I was going to tell you about the well frame , if you look good at the frame, they are well spare not so close... but I didn't want to engurage you , from your work....cheers 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:09 pm

    Brian again , Radu parts are spot on , apart those in between stripes which are for the G2's...
    You can see the exact space..







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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Wayne on Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:17 pm

    It's been a while since I've visited the forum (shame on me) and this was the logical place to start Very Happy 

    Way to go Brian... brilliant work.. an inspiration as always.





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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:20 pm

    Thanks Wayne apparently my work is not living up to Marco's expectiations and he is right it is a bit crude but making something out of nothing is not easy. I ended up ordering Radu's set this afternoon. Could not resist it!

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Wayne on Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:31 pm

    Radu's stuff is something else... the detail is brilliant. However I tend to appreciate more the scratch built stuff. Might not be as perfect-looking but it's a challenge to make and still looks good when done well. You get that satisfaction and say "Hey.. I did that!". At least that's how I see it at the moment but I'm still green!

    Having said that you do realise you're working on Skyhigh's baby so it's never gonna be good enough unless it's 1:1, fires up and flies Very Happy 


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:20 pm

    My advice, don't build a 109 because nothing is good enough or if you do, just speak up when it is done and don;t ask anything. The sooner i start my next project the better, this should have been an easy build and it is killing me. Besides, i still want to break a record and finish two models in one year.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Wayne on Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:29 pm

    I have one of Marseille's F-4's in the stash, so i'll be going through it sometime or other Wink 

    But there are a couple of Stukas in the way so it won't be that soon.


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Ray on Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:13 pm

    bcauchi wrote:My advice, don't build a 109 because nothing is good enough or if you do, just speak up when it is done and don;t ask anything.  The sooner i start my next project the better, this should have been an easy build and it is killing me.  Besides, i still want to break a record and finish two models in one year.
    Let us start a campaign called "Building 109's behind Marco's Back lol! "

    Come on Bri you can pull it thru on ALL FRONTS I'm sure of that cheers 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:16 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Thanks Wayne apparently my work is not living up to Marco's expectiations and he is right it is a bit crude but making something out of nothing is not easy.  I ended up ordering Radu's set this afternoon. Could not resist it!
    Sorry Brian , what have I've done.....Embarassed Crying or Very sad ... I did not want to upset you... from now on I'm going to close one eye and stay silent...silent 


    Wayne your right about , made your own stuff ....cheers ..I agree with you.. but modeler like Brian time is consuming.....

    and mind you , because I could not ressist it.. Evil or Very Mad .. even Radu left some detail out..Twisted Evil .. so it's not 100% finished ..Sorry brian , you didn't tell me that your were going to order the set.. scratch 

    the sill frame is missing from all the sets...
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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Alex Kontiveis on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:59 am

    Hi Brian
    As far as I see your wheel well is the ciclular one since the majority of the f-4s were produced with that shape.

    Your build is under siege!!!! lol! Keep fighting!!!!

    We do want to see an exceptional 109F at the end!!! cheers 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:13 am

    Alex Kontiveis wrote:Hi Brian
    As far as I see your wheel well is the ciclular one since the majority of the f-4s were produced with that shape.

    Your build is under siege!!!! lol! Keep fighting!!!!

    We do want to see an exceptional 109F at the end!!! cheers 

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    I Agree 100%..........cheers 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:21 pm

    Marco, do not close your eyes or even blink. I am over the wheel well now and will make it as accurate as possible when i receive the set from Radu. I always put in the sill myself but if you see the pics you posted for the F with the circular well, the ones from the 109 lair, the sill does not go all the way around the circular part. But don;t worry i will put them in. I ordered the set because i could not do all that work with the aluminium again. It took too long to make and with all the adjustments it became brittle and started falling to bits. Quicker this way. Keep up the good work and tell me where i go wrong. If i don;t want your comments i won;t post pics. We are lucky to have your expertise so fire away. I can take it. Trouble is that once you tell me that something is wrong, i will never leave it as it is because i cannot live with an inaccurate detail if i know about it. thanks for the info.

    BUT NOW WE HAVE TO SEE YOU BUILD A 109! YOU CANNOT KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM IT FOR EVER.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  Wayne on Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:26 pm

    bcauchi wrote:BUT NOW WE HAVE TO SEE YOU BUILD A 109!  YOU CANNOT KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM IT FOR EVER.
    No truer words were ever spoken. He's got at least 3 hasegawa F's in his stash so there's no excuse Twisted Evil 


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:37 pm

    Wayne wrote:
    bcauchi wrote:BUT NOW WE HAVE TO SEE YOU BUILD A 109!  YOU CANNOT KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM IT FOR EVER.
    No truer words were ever spoken.  He's got at least 3 hasegawa F's in his stash so there's no excuse Twisted Evil 
    lol! lol!  I'm still searching for that last detail photo ...lol! lol!

    Wayne ..I have to confess,..Embarassed ... that for the moment ... pls don't shout at me ..Mad Rolling Eyes I have 3 E's - 3 F's -8 G's and 2 K's....109's....Arrow 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:09 pm

    bcauchi wrote:Marco, do not close your eyes or even blink.  I am over the wheel well now and will make it as accurate as possible when i receive the set from Radu. I always put in the sill myself but if you see the pics you posted for the F with the circular well, the ones from the 109 lair, the sill does not go all the way around the circular part.  But don;t worry i will put them in. I ordered the set because i could not do all that work with the aluminium again.  It took too long to make and with all the adjustments it became brittle and started falling to bits.  Quicker this way.  Keep up the good work and tell me where i go wrong. If i don;t want your comments i won;t post pics. We are lucky to have your expertise so fire away.  I can take it.  Trouble is that once you tell me that something is wrong, i will never leave it as it is because i cannot live with an inaccurate detail if i know about it.  thanks for the info.

    BUT NOW WE HAVE TO SEE YOU BUILD A 109!  YOU CANNOT KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM IT FOR EVER.
    Brian keep it in mind , that nearly all restored 109 in museums have some of the sills bend ,damaged or flated to the side , and left as it is ..watch good all photos...



    But Brian keep in mind ..Idea that 109's wells are square at the end from E's to K's ..but again for the F-4's some how they add a circular peace...Exclamation  and may be coverd the square sills part , so that's why there is no sill visible... Brian it makes sense,Idea  because the sills ,were for the doors ...

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:21 pm

    brian look at this modeler build , the sills goes uinder the circular part......Btw, this is eduard wells...


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  slingshot392 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:05 pm

    skyhigh wrote:
    Wayne wrote:
    bcauchi wrote:BUT NOW WE HAVE TO SEE YOU BUILD A 109!  YOU CANNOT KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM IT FOR EVER.
    No truer words were ever spoken.  He's got at least 3 hasegawa F's in his stash so there's no excuse Twisted Evil 
    lol! lol!  I'm still searching for that last detail photo ...lol! lol!

    Wayne ..I have to confess,..Embarassed ... that for the moment ... pls don't shout at me ..Mad Rolling Eyes I have 3 E's - 3 F's -8 G's  and 2 K's....109's....Arrow 
    No B's, C's, or D's, what gives??? affraid lol! 

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:08 am

    slingshot392 wrote:
    skyhigh wrote:
    Wayne wrote:
    bcauchi wrote:BUT NOW WE HAVE TO SEE YOU BUILD A 109!  YOU CANNOT KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM IT FOR EVER.
    No truer words were ever spoken.  He's got at least 3 hasegawa F's in his stash so there's no excuse Twisted Evil 
    lol! lol!  I'm still searching for that last detail photo ...lol! lol!

    Wayne ..I have to confess,..Embarassed ... that for the moment ... pls don't shout at me ..Mad Rolling Eyes I have 3 E's - 3 F's -8 G's  and 2 K's....109's....Arrow 
    No B's, C's, or D's, what gives??? affraid lol! 
    lol! ..Not yet slingshot392..there is no such kits only conver..or resin, they have to wait... lol! 


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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  bcauchi on Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:46 pm

    That's how it is in the pic, the sills going under the circular part. I think it is correct and not due to bending or any other problem. That is the way i will do them.

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    Re: Bf109 F4 Trop.

    Post  skyhigh on Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:29 pm

    bcauchi wrote:That's how it is in the pic, the sills going under the circular part. I think it is correct and not due to bending or any other problem. That is the way i will do them.

    Bravo...Very Happy cheers .. Brain that's how they look for me too....cheers 

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