Libya crisis

Antoine.. those are Rafales not mirages. Look closely at the nose shape + you see 2 contrails from each plane not 1

This is my video of them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7pyIU2Bl4g&feature=channel_video_title

RAF wrote:

iCocker wrote:Whatever ...

Yep I agree we would not had - Rambo 1-3, Delta Force, Top Gun, the A-team, the Wall, Puffi and Star Wars, I also remeber life in the Cold War era when we used to eat only Catch, Huskie, Diserta and just building Airfix, Italieri and ESCI models as Tamiya, Hasegawa and Fujimi were nowhere to be seen on our shelves ... was a very nice time to remember! Ah forgot not to mention 5 years studying Arabic ... all this the results of the COLD WAR mentality!

mhux ahjar tmur tlesti dak it-Typhoon hallik mid-dibattiti! Love U

Ivan the cold war started exactly after the second world war and not during the seventies and eighties !!!!
And yes as an aviation enthusiast I hail the cold war era. 90% of the leggendry military equipment especially in the aviation area was invented during this era. AND PLS DON'T MIX THE HASS WITH THE BASS !!!!

like euronews ... I prefer NO COMMENT ... BUT you should look into some referances to understand the Cold War as 70,80,90 were the turning point, what we have been seeing these last decades are all it's offsprings including all that happened in Malta good or bad ... You should highlighted I like the development of industrial & military design, science and engineering thanks to the Cold War, one of the best tools we use daily and here ... the INTERNET!

By the way nice pics send them to Bondiplus and Xarabank might they get uptodate whats happening around us ... as told you yesterday on Sunday I heard thunder sounds in the evening and surely not came from airliners ...

iCocker wrote:

RAF wrote:

iCocker wrote:Whatever ...

Yep I agree we would not had - Rambo 1-3, Delta Force, Top Gun, the A-team, the Wall, Puffi and Star Wars, I also remeber life in the Cold War era when we used to eat only Catch, Huskie, Diserta and just building Airfix, Italieri and ESCI models as Tamiya, Hasegawa and Fujimi were nowhere to be seen on our shelves ... was a very nice time to remember! Ah forgot not to mention 5 years studying Arabic ... all this the results of the COLD WAR mentality!

mhux ahjar tmur tlesti dak it-Typhoon hallik mid-dibattiti! Love U

Ivan the cold war started exactly after the second world war and not during the seventies and eighties !!!!
And yes as an aviation enthusiast I hail the cold war era. 90% of the leggendry military equipment especially in the aviation area was invented during this era. AND PLS DON'T MIX THE HASS WITH THE BASS !!!!

like euronews ... I prefer NO COMMENT ... BUT you should look into some referances to understand the Cold War as 70,80,90 were the turning point, what we have been seeing these last decades are all it's offsprings including all that happened in Malta good or bad ... You should highlighted I like the development of industrial & military design, science and engineering thanks to the Cold War, one of the best tools we use daily and here ... the INTERNET!

By the way nice pics send them to Bondiplus and Xarabank might they get uptodate whats happening around us ... as told you yesterday on Sunday I heard thunder sounds in the evening and surely not came from airliners ...

In your comment there's a statement that summerize what I tried to tell you and maybe I didn't make my self clear. "I like the development of industrial & military design, science and engineering thanks to the Cold War" nothing more and nothing less !!

Ha ha ... that's why I wrote that Antoine, you should have stated you hail design and development of warfare not the cold war and it's degenrated effects and politics! Fl-ahhar ftehmna

Peace man ... flower power ... bhal ma jghid Gable ta Deceduti

By the way RAF officials are saying Gaddafhis airforce is no more ... KO!

AdriaN wrote:Antoine.. those are Rafales not mirages. Look closely at the nose shape + you see 2 contrails from each plane not 1

This is my video of them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7pyIU2Bl4g&feature=channel_video_title

In the second photo I'm sure that it is a mirage. The rafale is wider on the front and the intakes are underneath the fuselage not on the sides. I think they were two mirages and two rafales cause I agree with you that in the first photo two of the aircrafts have two contrails.

Yep. Apparently Gaddafi only has 2 aircraft left... at MIA Park 5!

On BBC yesterday they had a breaknews that French jet claimed a Libyan plane kill, first air action till date but have found nothing to prove this yet, USA bombed the F15 what a waste IMHO as it was already damaged enough to grab anything sophisticated ... for sure now it looks like the coalition force gonna be leadered by NATO.

That's all from the front till date ...

They shot down a Soko Galeb. What the hell was a trainer going in the air? apperently they shot at it after it had landed

Initial reports said that a french rafale shot down a Libyan aircraft that forced the no flyzone, but it was later confirmed that the aircraft was destroyed on the ground after it had landed. United Arab Emirates will be sending 6 F-16s and 6 Mirages for the No flyzone, so this is effectively a non US only force. The other Arab state that sent aircraft is Qatar. Nato will be taking over the No fly zone within days now. A naval blockade in inforce in the mediterrean to enforce an embargo, including Turrkish Naval vessels. Uptill this point the coalition is getting larger.

With all the air supremacy u got and naval blockade you want without ground forces Gaddafi will never be toppled mark my word!

Dottore

Dottore wrote:With all the air supremacy u got and naval blockade you want without ground forces Gaddafi will never be toppled mark my word!

Dottore

More likely it will end up in a stalemate, no side strong enough to overcome the other - and in the meantime more poeple will die.

people will die eny way...

it look like general gadaffi will take over control of country back, and what then???
ground forces... hmm... i don't think so.
in that case that will be direct attack on libiya and can lead to some thing far bigger.
stevan

One wonders why the Rebels are so fast to attack and retreat so fast!

The ghost rider ...



and here were all the conversions are made, mad max style!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DfMeg-C-s&feature=player_embedded

Some street fighting near Benghazi just before the jets interveened ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8uNmJEpzD8&feature=player_embedded

iCocker wrote:One wonders why the Rebels are so fast to attack and retreat so fast!

The ghost rider ...



and here were all the conversions are made, mad max style!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DfMeg-C-s&feature=player_embedded

Some street fighting near Benghazi just before the jets interveened ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8uNmJEpzD8&feature=player_embedded

Mig-21 underwing rocket pods, and they have time to paint them??? As they say necessity is the mother of all inventions, but for one I would not want to be near one of those trucks that will fire them, better keep a short distance away!!!

As for the ghostrider - a lot of pedal power, but if he welds the RPG to the chassis it could also help to get additional thrust - rocket powered actually!


These guys have a lot of determination, but they cannot take on an army which is trained. It is not a question of advancing,but holding those positions. There are talks of arming the rebels, and not going into the merits of the legality of such action, it is useless giving them Hi-tech and heavy weaponary without actually training them to use such weapons. Training will take time which they do not have!

According to foreign news the loyalist professional army outmen them 10-1, it is a fighat against all odds considering that the 10 are mostly professional soldier ... for sure both have leadership that needs some assesment, lets face it if you go into that youtube feature it was claimed that those T72M1 knocked out and wasted in the streets of Benghazi were entering an urban suburb without soldier support, an insane decision ...

And now the die hards ...



The Butcher



The shoemaker



and finally a Barcellona fan

For those who wish to make some birds from the conflict enjoy ... the Tornado's are so cool with shark teeth again, browse here lots of fotos ...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?195079-Libyan-Conflict-Photos-and-Videos/page30

J.Fenech wrote:

iCocker wrote:One wonders why the Rebels are so fast to attack and retreat so fast!

The ghost rider ...



and here were all the conversions are made, mad max style!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DfMeg-C-s&feature=player_embedded

Some street fighting near Benghazi just before the jets interveened ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8uNmJEpzD8&feature=player_embedded

Mig-21 underwing rocket pods, and they have time to paint them??? As they say necessity is the mother of all inventions, but for one I would not want to be near one of those trucks that will fire them, better keep a short distance away!!!

As for the ghostrider - a lot of pedal power, but if he welds the RPG to the chassis it could also help to get additional thrust - rocket powered actually!


These guys have a lot of determination, but they cannot take on an army which is trained. It is not a question of advancing,but holding those positions. There are talks of arming the rebels, and not going into the merits of the legality of such action, it is useless giving them Hi-tech and heavy weaponary without actually training them to use such weapons. Training will take time which they do not have!

Guz ir-rocket pods jahdmu qedin ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7dqwII-gbU

iCocker wrote:

J.Fenech wrote:

iCocker wrote:One wonders why the Rebels are so fast to attack and retreat so fast!

The ghost rider ...



and here were all the conversions are made, mad max style!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DfMeg-C-s&feature=player_embedded

Some street fighting near Benghazi just before the jets interveened ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8uNmJEpzD8&feature=player_embedded

Mig-21 underwing rocket pods, and they have time to paint them??? As they say necessity is the mother of all inventions, but for one I would not want to be near one of those trucks that will fire them, better keep a short distance away!!!

As for the ghostrider - a lot of pedal power, but if he welds the RPG to the chassis it could also help to get additional thrust - rocket powered actually!


These guys have a lot of determination, but they cannot take on an army which is trained. It is not a question of advancing,but holding those positions. There are talks of arming the rebels, and not going into the merits of the legality of such action, it is useless giving them Hi-tech and heavy weaponary without actually training them to use such weapons. Training will take time which they do not have!

Guz ir-rocket pods jahdmu qedin ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7dqwII-gbU

ok,they work, but what the heck they are using them against and how, drive and shoot, drive and shoot, maybe they are using GPS guided munitions!

Finally the Rebels decided to get a new insignia ... for me they are crazy flying in NATO control skies, prone to some friendly fire again!

Hope they have got IFF transponders, if they have not got the right codes they will prop up as enemy aircraft on the AWACS and liable to be shot down, apart the fact that no military aircraft should be flying around in the no fly zone!

Gaddafi forces arre claiming they have shot down 2 rebel helicopters and saying that these were in violation of the no flyzone. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13029165

no end in sight yet. Read picture caption, self explanatory. As for Nato, is it doing what is expected and truly effectively? How long will Nato continue with the tempo of operations?

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110412/world/gaddafi-s-forces-go-on-attack-again.359539

This footage look fishy to me, it's Loyalist troops exploring the spoils of a good number of rebel tanks and trucks, never thaught rebels had so much armour in their hands.

If true it's interesting as they are painting yellow demarkation signs on barrels to avoid friendly fire as both units have the same T72s, T55 and BMP1s ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqqR0...layer_embedded

Link ain't working!

J.Fenech wrote:Link ain't working!

Sorry ....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqqR09bXG6A&feature=player_embedded&fmt=18


If these are real Rebel tanks look at the new ID code of yellow on gun fume extractor apart the old monarchy flag. The 3 tone camo on the T72 looks the same from previous loyal units deployed in the East.

These are some different camo T72M1s from the ones in Tripoli which still have the last parades black on sand and whhite trimmed wheels. These inaction ones look t be dark green [but not Russian basic one] on sand and also 3 tone ones Chocolate Brown, Yellow Green and Dark Sand.

Loyalists T72M1s [still intact ; ) just before NATO actions started]





These are Loyalists KO - note 3 tone camo




Captured one ... 2 tone camo



Rebel captured one - 3tone and put to use ... but with only slogans, no yellow signs and flags ...