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Ok thanks, link now works. For Nato it must be difficult to distinguish between loyalist and rebel armor since they are using the same, and that it a fluid situation and communication I believe is poor to the where the rebel tanks are in real time, not an hour ago. I think that choice of yellow as a recognition marking is not such a good choice given the sandy landscape. Imagine trying to see such a small yellow marking against an sand background from altitude. At least they are aware that they should make themselves more visible.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fb8lrCDses&feature=player_embedded
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Latest developments - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13251570
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J.Fenech wrote:Latest developments - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13251570
Hope this will not encourage more bitter last stand, this shall not head to a better solution for sure!
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Been some time not updating this tread, but by this time we can see that those who had fear that civilians never can handle a professional army, the Siege of Misurata looks to have been their academy. The patriots of Misurata releived from the siege are moving on pressing on Gaddhafi's army and always having the NATO clearing the road for them in advance ...
The uparmoured Technicals are now working as a force to reckon ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivjZJA9WVzc&feature=player_embedded
The uparmoured Technicals are now working as a force to reckon ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivjZJA9WVzc&feature=player_embedded
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Ray wrote:Tghid KMB jaf bihom dawn
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110510/local/Mifsud-Bonnici-urges-Maltese-workers-to-return-to-Libya.364597
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J.Fenech wrote:Ray wrote:Tghid KMB jaf bihom dawn
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110510/local/Mifsud-Bonnici-urges-Maltese-workers-to-return-to-Libya.364597
Yep I saw it JF
That is why I asked if he saw youtube or not
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Ray wrote:J.Fenech wrote:Ray wrote:Tghid KMB jaf bihom dawn
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110510/local/Mifsud-Bonnici-urges-Maltese-workers-to-return-to-Libya.364597
Yep I saw it JF
That is why I asked if he saw youtube or not
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Fil-fatt iz-Zero Tripoli mar mhux MISURATA li saret qiesha Stalingrad! : (
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Rebel migs flying???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZaM8-xyeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZaM8-xyeo
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Latest development, looks like Freedom Fighters and NATO are closing in to the kill, yet Gaddafi still holding on for the last stand it seems ... and our Government is more concerned on silly Divorce Referendum then trying to get in touch with Benghazi ... poor those who used to get their bread and butter from Libya!!!!
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If we still had the Malta Drydocks, NATO has created some work for it ... Ghaddafi based Navy targetted in Tripoli.
... and the French way to cure hemmeroids
Notice the Paris fashion for summer!!!!
... and the French way to cure hemmeroids
Notice the Paris fashion for summer!!!!
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what comes to mind when seeing those ships is... what a waste 
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About the latest fashion, I think that there must have been some problems with the washing material - it shrunk the uniform.
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AdriaN wrote:what comes to mind when seeing those ships is... what a waste
what do you expect, this is reality of war and not game playing, and the weapons used a real and lethal. A few hundred kilometers to the south of us there is a real war going on. A few sunken ships are nothing compared to lost human lifes, ships can be refloated,repaired or replaced while a lost life cannot be replaced, nor the emotional scars of those who survive the ordeal.
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J.Fenech wrote:Rebel migs flying???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZaM8-xyeo
mig 21 bis with center line 480 lts drop tank and four ub 32 rocket pod's...
really nice...
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Today we had this beauty at our Airport !!!!!
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J.Fenech wrote:AdriaN wrote:what comes to mind when seeing those ships is... what a waste
what do you expect, this is reality of war and not game playing, and the weapons used a real and lethal. A few hundred kilometers to the south of us there is a real war going on. A few sunken ships are nothing compared to lost human lifes, ships can be refloated,repaired or replaced while a lost life cannot be replaced, nor the emotional scars of those who survive the ordeal.
Considering all this firepower teh airattacks have created minimal colletoral damage [looks NATO did the homework better this time, and no USA leadership is around], unlike the ground forces and artillery which is a killing zone, especially in urban areas ... the reality and brutality of ground war!
By the way the attack on the Navy was instigated after the Loyalist attempted a 'suicide' mission loading speed boats with plastic bombs to attack the NATO vessels and ports. Very reminiscent on the X Mas attacks in WW2 [Grandharbour]. Unfortunetly the repercussion was the above images, a good number of Frigates are KO!
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Prosit Ton, nice Tornado, if not from Libya from were this came allura?
More news ...
According to sources ... USS Bantaan seen outside Misrata port ... loaded with Ospreys and Harriers + Helos and Marines
RAF are to use APACHES to shift the armour stalemate in Libya ... no expert here but sources are saying that RAF Apaches are different then USA, better engined and different configuration. Will see if teh Frenchies follow aswell with combat helos.
The man himself ... but he looks like the last Harry Potter villian Profs Snape!!!!
More news ...
According to sources ... USS Bantaan seen outside Misrata port ... loaded with Ospreys and Harriers + Helos and Marines
RAF are to use APACHES to shift the armour stalemate in Libya ... no expert here but sources are saying that RAF Apaches are different then USA, better engined and different configuration. Will see if teh Frenchies follow aswell with combat helos.
The man himself ... but he looks like the last Harry Potter villian Profs Snape!!!!
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The british apache designation WAH-64 or Apache mk.1 is a bit different from its american counter part. It has Roll Royce engines which are more powerful that the american GE engines. Different avionics, sensors and defensive systems and something which US apaches do not have - folding rotors so that they can be deployed aboard ships.
As for the french, they would likely deploy the Eurocopter Tigre, not its first war zone deployment. It was used in afganistan and of the 3 sent 1 crashed during a night mission. Hope they fare better in Libya.
This will be a different operational situation as these helicopters will have to operate at low altitude and into harms way. Libya had quite a number of AAA, both portable and self propelled. While the AFVs would have been easier to take out, portable and shoulder lunched missile will still pose a considerable threat. Hope that these have been taken into consideration and that the defences are degraded enough before commiting. The risk of have a helo shot down are higher than for aircraft and if such things happen, what about CSAR, would that mean combat troops on Libyan soil??
As for the french, they would likely deploy the Eurocopter Tigre, not its first war zone deployment. It was used in afganistan and of the 3 sent 1 crashed during a night mission. Hope they fare better in Libya.
This will be a different operational situation as these helicopters will have to operate at low altitude and into harms way. Libya had quite a number of AAA, both portable and self propelled. While the AFVs would have been easier to take out, portable and shoulder lunched missile will still pose a considerable threat. Hope that these have been taken into consideration and that the defences are degraded enough before commiting. The risk of have a helo shot down are higher than for aircraft and if such things happen, what about CSAR, would that mean combat troops on Libyan soil??
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Infact that is the question, amphibian ships around ports, use of helos and all major SAM sites and NAVY annihalated looks more like it!
Using helos without proper ground support and with the array of pick ups armed with heavy MGs on both sides, shilkas and AAs in number apart a large quantity of hand held RPGs and SAs is risky ... very risky, if NATO does not have another ace in their hands.
On another note, recently the Freedom Fighters have massed up a large quantity of captured armour and till date have not put to proper use, does this mean that is going be the ground force + the numerous Toyotas with AA and missles? And why only helos, would not be wiser using A10s and ground attack aircraft aswell, these are faster and can survive more punishment then helos!
Will have to await for what's coming up?
Using helos without proper ground support and with the array of pick ups armed with heavy MGs on both sides, shilkas and AAs in number apart a large quantity of hand held RPGs and SAs is risky ... very risky, if NATO does not have another ace in their hands.
On another note, recently the Freedom Fighters have massed up a large quantity of captured armour and till date have not put to proper use, does this mean that is going be the ground force + the numerous Toyotas with AA and missles? And why only helos, would not be wiser using A10s and ground attack aircraft aswell, these are faster and can survive more punishment then helos!
Will have to await for what's coming up?
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Given now that there seems to be the intention of switching to low level missions and provide a sort "close air strike", Nato has really no other option than to deploy helicopters as they do not possess anything close to an A-10. Fast jets (F-16, Mirages,etc...) are not really that good an option, simply cause of their close in high speed. They need to identify,target and bomb/shoot the target and since they would be moving too fast, there may need to do more than one pass, obviously wasting time and more exposure to enemy fire. The A-10 is ideal cause it can cruise around in a relative slower speed and loiter on station longer therefore more likely to hit the target first time round and move out. The A-10 is also better protected, armed and has a higher chance of making it home if hit than any other type. Since the US withdrew its strike aircraft the only US fixed wing strike aircraft in theatre are the Harrier aboard assult ships and unmanned drones. Helicopter use terrain for cover by hiding, the desert country does not offer much in hiding places, so they will be exposed and in a very hostile enviroment. We will have to see what will happen whether such action will yield the wanted results!
Since the rebels got a lot of armor now, I hope that they can be identified from the gaddafi forces to avoid 'friendly fire' although I think this is a bit of a corundrum, if rebels use armor and hit civilians as well(if you fight in an urban area for example) and fly around military aircraft, aren't they in breach of the UN resoltion???
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Tornado leaving today at around 16:38
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RAF wrote:Tornado leaving today at around 16:38
Nice picture!! Well done!! but I think you posted in the wrong section!!
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J.Fenech wrote:RAF wrote:Tornado leaving today at around 16:38
Nice picture!! Well done!! but I think you posted in the wrong section!!
Although it is not directly linked with the Libya crisis I still think that there's a little link. This Tornado came to Malta for training purpose. AFM used this aircraft to train on how to handle fast jets(weapon loading/unloading, service etc) in case Malta will take a deeper role in a crisis.
