1:72 Scale German WW2 Heavy Battle Cruiser K.M.S. Scharnhorst 1943

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J.Fenech wrote:

alex GIMLI wrote:
i was very sceptic of a cardboard model especially that size......until i saw it and touched it now im a convert well done paul please do hurry up but not at the expense of the detail and fine work you are putting into this one

I have to agree with Alex, I never thought that Cardboard could be worked like this. The work you are doing is amazing!! Keep posting!!

So nice to find posts that AMPLIFY YOUR THOUGHTS as you save some time in writing or does it

AMEN to the cardboard converts

Paul, you definitely challenged us ALL so SILENTLY but SURELY in TRUE SSM Spirit

Now stay focused & don't feed the hungry hounds who are ready to pounce on you when the GAMES (DETAIL) BEGIN

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Paul Salomone Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:05 am

Thanks Guys,

Your comments are encouraging.

I am willing to deliver a lecture on cardboard modelling. Just name the date, for me it's no problem.

Ray, I fully agree with you, no rush for the detailing. Just one step at a time. The most impostant things is the result. And yes I can now say that I am an SSM brother with the true SSM spirit.

There may be a time where I shall be needing a bit of your advise, but am quite sure that you fine guys will give me a helping hand.

LONG LIVE SSM - GOD WILLS IT cheers

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skyhigh Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:10 pm

Paul Salomone wrote:Thanks Guys,

Your comments are encouraging.

I am willing to deliver a lecture on cardboard modelling. Just name the date, for me it's no problem.

Ray, I fully agree with you, no rush for the detailing. Just one step at a time. The most impostant things is the result. And yes I can now say that I am an SSM brother with the true SSM spirit.

There may be a time where I shall be needing a bit of your advise, but am quite sure that you fine guys will give me a helping hand.

LONG LIVE SSM - GOD WILLS IT

Of course we give you a helping hand Paul, thats why we are the best club on the Island.... cheers

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paul been trying to contact you about the scharnhorst. my email is brinksfred@aol.com. fred

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bcauchi Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:47 pm

Looking better every time you post Paul, well done!

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Paul Salomone Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:53 am

Good morning all, sunny

Not many pictures today, as I spent the whole weekend on duty with my lathe and worked on the 150mm gun barrels for the secondary armament. I need 12 of these barrels to equip the twin gun mountings, which amount to four casemates; and the single mountings which are of the open type and mounted on both sides in midship position.

Below are the pictures of the work carried out. cheers

An original photo showing the casemate mountung the twin 150mm calibre secondary armament.
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1:72 Scale German WW2 Heavy Battle Cruiser K.M.S. Scharnhorst 1943 - Page 9 H9750711

An isometric view of the casemate.
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An isometric view of the casemate with an anti-aircraft mounting open type platform added on the front turrets only. These were added to enhance the protection against enemy aircraft, prior to operation "Cerberus".
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1:72 Scale German WW2 Heavy Battle Cruiser K.M.S. Scharnhorst 1943 - Page 9 S11710

An isometric view of a single gun mount of the open type.
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An isometric view of the rear side of the same gun mount.
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The barrel on the lathe taking form.
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Another view of the same barrel.
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The barrel ready for finishing and polish.
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An array of nine barrels - three more to go, and the 150mm calibe gun barrels for this ship will be ready for mounting into their respective casemates (gun turrets).
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1:72 Scale German WW2 Heavy Battle Cruiser K.M.S. Scharnhorst 1943 - Page 9 Dsc02825

This week I will try to have the other three barrels ready, as I have other plans for the weekend.

Will post more photos next Thursday.

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in nannu pec Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:12 am

prosit Paul......
IN nannu

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Ray Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:53 pm

Immaculate workmanship Paul

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iCocker Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:41 pm

That's the spirit Paul!

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Paul Salomone Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:57 pm

Thanks Brothers, cheers

I am trying hard to get it right. Of course the research for the detailing is the hardest part, but bit by bit I am getting along. Smile

Next Thursday I will post some more pics. bom

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skyhigh Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:07 pm

Amazing!!! work paul... cheers

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Paul Salomone Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:22 pm

Thanks Marco, I love you

Next Wednesday I shall be bringing the barrels to the club. This evening I managed to finish off another one. Now only two are needed to complete the set. cheers

But now my friend, the most chanllenging shall begin. Evil or Very Mad

The 105mm anti-aircraft barrels - I shall be needing 12 of those barrels as well. And apart from being a bit complicated in shape, the diameter of the barrels is small. the inner diameter of the barrel shall be of only 1mm while the outside shall only be 2.5mm diameter. Adding to that, I must buy a tool that can handle small diameters, and still can be locked in the tool post - (if such a tool exists) Suspect

But lets hope for the best. bom

Next Wednesday I shall also bring along my soldering tools and learn how to solder small items. cheers

See you Wednesday Brother. Very Happy

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Ray Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:08 am

Paul, have you considered working with available brass/aluminium tubes since you arrived to such delicate measurments for the lathe ?

Just my humble 2c worth of advice

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in nannu pec Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:14 am

Paul I have a cordless soldering tool set powered by lighter gas...it's only a bit larger than a felt marker...so good for modelling work....do u have one of those ?
In nannu

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Paul Salomone Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:36 am

Good morning to you all, sunny

Ray - I would love to use the brass tubes. the only problem is that the barrels fot the 105mm anti-aircraft guns were not straight forward. they had a tapered barrel to start with, like all other gun barrels. To add to this the barrel sleeves had compensators as well, which must be added to the detail of the gun barrel.

below is a photo of the gun barrel.

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1:72 Scale German WW2 Heavy Battle Cruiser K.M.S. Scharnhorst 1943 - Page 9 S10410

The barrel is actually the minor problem. These type of twin mouintings were of the open type. This means that although the front and the sides of the gun mounting was covered with steel plates, the rear was open to enable the gun operation, thus all the details, including the hydraulic lines, telecomunications and electrical cables, range + bearing + altitude calculators and other elevating equipment must be included in the assembly. and that brother is the real headache. Suspect

I must treat each part separetly and produce them as if i was mass producing.
Any way, Basketball

All the beginnings have their end, and once finished, I am quite sure that gun assemblies will end up to be a model within a model.

Nannu Pec - Now it's your turn. yes i do have one of those gas powered soldering tools, and as a matter of fact, I shallbring it with me tomorrow. cheers

See you all tomorrow, SSM Brothers.

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Ray Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:45 pm

Ok Paul, have you considered searching for them within some miniature modelling manufacturing realm

Again, don't take my advice as offensive to your modelling prowees, which easily rubs shoulders with the best the hobby has to offer, but IMHO "if I find it readily available & it saves me some precious time, then I would go for it blindfolded" & given the tiny bits that you still have to find & adjust, then I would think twice & trice if need be

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Paul Salomone Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:08 pm

Ray,

As a matter of fact, I have already made contact with "Master Barrel" of Poland, and has forwarded me an offer for the supply of the 105mm, 37mm and the 20mm anti-aircraft and flak barrels. In all, they will cost around Euro 120.00.
I think that I will forward him the order. But will first try to do a 105mm barrel myself, and see the time intent on one barrel. That way I can decide.

Thanks for your support Ray. You are just like my big brother, always there to lend a helping hand.

SSM FOR EVER, MY BROTHER - GOD WILLS IT.

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Ray Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:10 pm

Paul Salomone wrote:Ray,

As a matter of fact, I have already made contact with "Master Barrel" of Poland, and has forwarded me an offer for the supply of the 105mm, 37mm and the 20mm anti-aircraft and flak barrels. In all, they will cost around Euro 120.00.
I think that I will forward him the order. But will first try to do a 105mm barrel myself, and see the time intent on one barrel. That way I can decide.

Thanks for your support Ray. You are just like my big brother, always there to lend a helping hand.

SSM FOR EVER, MY BROTHER - GOD WILLS IT.

You're more then Welcome My SSM Bro

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Paul Salomone Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:04 am

Good morning brothers, sunny

Today I am posting some pics posted on another forum by a guy who is building the Bismarck in 1:100 scale. The superstructure is made from copper and metal sheeting, and he is doing a great job.

The pics, are showing some of the suffering through which I have to go through, in order to create the anti-slip flooring found on the upper decks. the detail is all made from styrere strips.

The styrene strips cut to size and put in place. I wonder how many hours it took him to d only thatpiece.
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1:72 Scale German WW2 Heavy Battle Cruiser K.M.S. Scharnhorst 1943 - Page 9 Vm_hs_10

The deck of the lower pare of the strucure, showing themarking out. I just wonder how he did it.
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Another view of the structure from the rear.
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The structure is ready.
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Detail showing also the rivets or locking screws which held the base plate of the range finder in place.
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Ray wrote:

Paul Salomone wrote:Ray,

As a matter of fact, I have already made contact with "Master Barrel" of Poland, and has forwarded me an offer for the supply of the 105mm, 37mm and the 20mm anti-aircraft and flak barrels. In all, they will cost around Euro 120.00.
I think that I will forward him the order. But will first try to do a 105mm barrel myself, and see the time intent on one barrel. That way I can decide.

Thanks for your support Ray. You are just like my big brother, always there to lend a helping hand.

SSM FOR EVER, MY BROTHER - GOD WILLS IT.

You're more then Welcome My SSM Bro

you two are going to make me cry... Sad

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Paul Salomone Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:01 pm

Good morning Brothers,

Feeling a bit better at last, but my troat is still feeling like hell on earth. Anyway I found some time to make one of the 105mm calibre barrels for the twin anti-aircraft mountings. It took me some three hours to do one, and I need 14 in total to attach to the seven mountings required for the ship. Now the trick is to produce 14 barrels of the same dimensions, but that is something I have to deal with as I go along the lines.

By the way, Marco, If Ray and I make you cry - better watch out. If you don't finish at least two of the ME109s, believe me - WE WILL MAKE YOU CRY:

All the barrels for the 150mm calibre seconadry armamant are ready.

Will post some pics next Monday.

Have a nice weekend brothers. cheers

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Get well soon Paul... good to see you steaming on despite the flu!

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Ray Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:40 pm

So Paul, are you going for the "time vs money" option for the mentioned barrels & produce them yourself?

That is, you're going to spend 3hrs on each & when you have considered that they will be "cheaper" to produce them yourself at the end?

Its good to hear your opinion/evaluation on this matter, and if its not much of a hassle with your already tight schedule, would you please elaborate on how much time you spent on each & if they were worth it when gauged against their market price

P.S. I am referring to "ALL" the little barrels you spoke & was sort of worried about

Thanks bro

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Get well soon Paul ... cheers

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David Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:41 am

Paul that surface detail can be done with photo etching.
It can be done at home

I would first cut out the profile in 1mm copper sheets then get a scale pattern on pc.print it out on a special film. iron on the film . It will mask the raised detail. put it in ferric chloride acid until it eats the desired depth
easy!

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